Fran Lyon has left the country

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Yes and remember you can namechange as much as you want on Mumsnet - if you ever want to be a bit more anonymous you can have as many names as you want!

very sorry fran cross posted before.
doricgirl, i take on board everything you said, and i understand that fran has a serious illness, i do not doubt this, i also understand that suffering from this illness would result in many hospital admissions. i don't doubt that the admissions are genuine, i have said this a few times. i completely agree that even if she is faking an illness, it is completely irrelevent to whether or not she should have her baby taken away. my only query is with regards to how open fran is actually being with us on this board, and also obviously in due course with the press or anyone else interested in her story.

i am not questioning the morals of the decision by social services (it is undoubtably a disasterous decision and a terrible course of action), i am not questioning whether fran should have her baby taken from her (of course she shouldn't) i am not doubting whether she has a serious illness. i am simply questioning whether she is concealing any information. i understand why she may do this, i just think that it is unfair of her to do this in such a supportive environment as mumsnet. that's it really. this is a terrible situation, but as far as i can see we are not being told everything, and would be naive to think we were.

I would also like to add, there are many flaws within the ss, i have very close family members who have had to fight ss for a different reason, they wanted to remove 3 children (1 unborn but would be taken at birth) away from a family for certain reasons BUT a fight was put against them, it did take a whole year but ss lost the fight & gave in, now i always sit & wonder if that fight had not been put up on them or taken to the extent it was would those 3 children have been removed for the wrong reasons, my answer YES.

Hey Scooby - don't worry I didn't think you were questioning me - I just know that with the internet being what it is I could have been anyone and it would be totally reasonable to wait for some confirmation of who I was - argh I've confused myself now - just away to look in a mirror for a few minutes...

posen i am sure it has been stated that fran can not supply us with ALL the information for certain reasons, so why are you pushing & pushing?

Hello Posen,

I've never said I've revealed everything. However, where I have kept things to myself I have been explicit about precisely what and why. There should be no-one on MN or anywhere else who is under any misapprehension that I have ever done otherwise.

For absolute clarity these are things I will not talk about in any detail:

• the identity of my ex and the incident with him

• the identity of my family

• the precise nature of my experience of abuse as a child

• the name of my rapist (he wasn't convicted and so, as I understand it, I can't - though I may be wrong)

Is there something else you think I'm not saying?

Thanks,

Fran

Posen - it's really none of our business. Fran can reveal as much or as little as she wants - this is a website and the same applies to all of us - we can say as much or as little as we want - why should Fran be any different? IMO I think Fran has been incredibly honest and open, but even if she hasn't, what business is it of ours? People don't deserve or get support on Mumsnet based on what they don't say, but based on what they do say, their situation and lots of other things like the help they pass on to others, etc. I think you really should leave it be...

Fran - wishing you lots of luck over the coming weeks!

Hear hear CSS- & to others who have questions can I suggest they re-read the WHOLE thread & some of the others on MN, which I know can be time consuming but answer all these questions & more about the whole issue not just Frans case?

Would save an awful lot of angst & aggro for everyone not least poor Fran!

Fran- so glad the MW is pleased with you & Molly's progress!

Can I also add & repeat what others have said we may need to excercise a bit of caution about our questions we all know how some journalists have posed as MN-ers & got direct quotes from some of us on here.

"i am simply questioning whether she is concealing any information. i understand why she may do this, i just think that it is unfair of her to do this in such a supportive environment as mumsnet. that's it really. this is a terrible situation, but as far as i can see we are not being told everything, and would be naive to think we were."

is this woman pretending to be naive or am i just thick?

i am simply asking a question and it isn't being answered. you can take what you like from that. i think i've said my piece for now.

fran i genuinely wish you the very best for your birth and life together. she will be the most precious person in the world, she will drive you crazy with love and lack of sleep but you will look at her in wonder a zillion times a day and will not be able to imagine what nearly happened in that terrible parallel universe where they nearly took your little girl away. enjoy every minute of your beautiful little girl. look in to her eyes for as long as you can when she is born, you will never forget that wonderful moment.

Hello Posen,

Thank you.

I really am puzzled though - which question is it you don't think is being answered?

Fran

But posen Fran is answering you, if you read her last post she clearly states at the end "is there something else you think i'm not saying" if this is the case then state what you like but from what i can see Fran is answeringf you but your not listening to her & keep repeating yourself.

yes i have been repeating myself, so i shan't keep doing it. i'll let it lie.

Posen - I am also confused - as far as I can see Fran has tried really hard to answer all your questions and revealed a significant amount of personal information in order to do so - that I'm sure a lot of other people wouldn't be prepared to do.

I'm not sure what it is you're looking for - some kind of shocking revelation so far untold. You seem to be hunting for some 'truth' that isn't there. Is it that Fran hasn't revealed her eye colour or shoe size? Those are things no one here probably knows...

Unless of course we want to get into a philosophical debate on 'truth' and 'whose truth', from which perspective... but I really don't want to do that as I know nothing about philosophy...

Can you state what you are looking for as one direct question?

posen it actually seems as if you are just being difficult, if you have something so specific to ask then ask it stop accusing Fran of not answering you when she has further down the thread, are you actually reading the same thread as me or am i going mad?

READ THE WHOLE THREAD POSEN &GET ALL YOUR ANSWERS!!!

Sorry to shout but we don't seem to be getting through to you!!

Am I being thick?

I thougth Fran had answered your questions posen?

If you feel she hasn't, would it be a completely pointless exercise to ask you to re-phrase it?

You seem to want to know why the SW's are concerned about the admissions into hospital and whether the admissions were the reason they thought she would have MSbP. She has answered that the SW's refused to divulge to her counsel or her why they thought so.

That's the answer isn't it? Or have I just not been concentrating on the question?

Hmmmm something seems a bit odd to me. This is most un-Mumsnetter behaviour in my opinion.

Posen- what is your real posting name?

Hmmmm something seems a bit odd to me. This is most un-Mumsnetter behaviour in my opinion.

Posen- what is your real posting name?

Ooops sorry; it seems I was so super-keen to post that I did it twice

I am a bit suspicious about posen but then i am a suspicious person

Glad it's not just me that's got their radar twitching

I'm not generally suspicious ....but something doesn't feel quite right to be honest.

I would not be surprised if we had a member of the Press in our midst.

CSS- Agree with you that's why I said about being a bit cautious with our questions!

I'm afraid I've not liked that" line of enquiry" since the first time she/he posted, sorry!

..or a member of the SS ?