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I haven't questioned Fran in any way Elizabetth.

My sceptism is my own, nothing to do with posen or anyone else.

Do you know the truth in this situation Elizabetth? NO, unless you sre Fran

No one except Fran knows the truth.

Social Services have made their judgment on the information made available to them. Whether you or anyone else agrees or disagrees with their decision, that is what happened.

You might find this hard to believe Elizabetth, but I actually feel very sorry for Fran and the situation she is in, and I would like to think that ultimately there will be a good outcome.

We will all have to wait and see wont we.

'The rape allegation did not result in a conviction because the man concerned killed himself shortly before it went to court. The CPS however did see fit to bring the case, and it was substantiated by 4 other women who had reported nigh on identical experiences.

If Northumberland Social Services had other evidence on which they basing their actions they did not ever disclose it to me or my legal team. Nor, in the face of repeated recommendations from professionals that they instructed did they change their plans.'

So SS have not told Fran why they are doing what they are doing. And she has obviously had repeated admissions to A&E and only been recently diagnosed with her condition. so although the number of times she has gone to A&E may be fascinating from a subjective and speculative point of view, it really has no relevance from an objective, factual point of view. Because she has been diagnosed with a potentially life threatening condition. It is easy to speculate that she is making it all up. just as it is easy to speculate that Kate McCann killed her daughter. But neither is based on fact.

Posen you're not even posting under your Mumsnet name here. I'm astonished you think you have the "right" to ask such intrusive questions. I've never seen nosiness dressed up as a "right" before.

That's one of the upshots of these types of cases, particularly when there's a woman involved. People set themselves up as investigator, judge and jury when in fact we're only talking about opinions on a message board.

Posen, I've just read this whole thread, and I'm afraid you are coming across as a bit of an interrogator. I think Fran has probably had quite enough w/out us adding to it. If we were all in the pub having this conversation, you would probably have been dragged outside by a friend and told to give her a break.

I agree. Posen I think you need to tone your manner down somewhat, it's coming across as very harsh and judgemental which I am sure it not what you intend........?

Hi Posen

As other people have stated and as far as I know social services never made it clear to Fran why they were so concerned. She was honest about her past MH problems and it seemed to stem from there. I don't think they ever explicitly stated whether it was the hospital admissions - so you can see why there is some confusion.

I have a question for you though - why do you need to know how many emergency admissions Fran has had in the last 4 years and then since she became pregnant - if you explain why you feel the need to know this maybe we can help you further. I am a bit bemused just now as to why you want such specific information?

As I have said before on this board I have been with Fran several times in A&E and not once did any doctor or nurse ever give the impression that they thought there was anything false about her illnesses - and believe me when you have mental health diagnoses you know when that happens.

Hope that helps.

Interesting that the only two anti-Fran comments comes from the 'name changers'

Wonder what 'they' are hiding ?

Well Babies, it might just mean they know they're in the minority and don't want to be disliked under their real name, not nec anything sinister.

Maybe Kathy.

However, the accusatory and suspicious tone is leading me to think otherwise.....could just be a case of people needing to think carefully before they post of course.

Oh Lord!

I've just got back in and it seems I left at a rather inopportune moment.

Okay, here goes, I shall do my best!

In answer to the question about the last 4 years Posen - I honestly don't know. I don't have my medical records because they were sent to the forensic psych as part of his assessment of me, so I can't count them up for you.

The frequency of the admissions is somewhat sporadic, which is the normal course for someone with angioedema. So, there would be periods of time, a few weeks for example, where I might have several admissions to hospital - there would equally be extended periods where there would be no admissions at all. Some admissions would be more severe than others - i.e. in some cases I'd end up on a ventilator, and sometimes not. The periods of time in which I am unwell tend to follow infections.

I have been incredibly lucky during the pregnancy and since the end of the first trimester I have had no admissions (it's not unusual for autoimmune problems to improve during the later stages of pregnancy). Thankfully I've actually felt at my strongest and healthiest post-14 weeks. I struggled with hyperemesis initially, which resulted in one admission and I had one angioedema attack early on too.

I really can't say if the admissions to hospital are what social services were worried about - as they have never made what they were worried about clear to my legal team or myself. As I said earlier - if it was what they were worried about then there shouldn't have been problem after they were told categorically that I didn't have munchausen's.

I'm sure I've missed questions from people - if I have then please let me know.

Thanks

Fran

P.S. I was out seeing the midwife, and both Molly and I are fit as fiddles, yay!

I'm not suspicious of Posen - I think she genuinely wants to know.

hi, i'm sorry if i seem interrogatory, i suppose that's wahat i'm doing really. i feel like i've somehow hit upon something which is meeting caginess.
but doric, if fran doesn't know this why was she part of a documentary that did claim to know this? it did say on the trevor macdonald programme last night that ss were concerned that fl had munchausen's synd because of the number of admissions to a & e depts.
doricgirl, i am only interested in the number of admissions because it is something which i think is being concealed and therfore something which in suggests that fl isn't being as transparent as she says she is.
i'm not getting straight answers, that's why i keep asking.
if i was in a pub asking these questions, i would politely accept the replies and not believe a word the person was saying, but i'm not so i'm asking if anyone is going to be honest about this, and if not then i shall leave it alone as if i was in a pub. cheers

Posen - I think it's fair enough for you to ask questions but you don't seem to be taking on board the fact that however many times Fran has been to hospital she has now been diagnosed with a serious physical condition which can be fatal. This basically explains all of the admissions - in the light of this information why does it matter how many times she was admitted? As Fran says there have been so many she personally can't even remember. If you have a serious illness which flares up it is pretty normal to be admitted to hospital on a regular basis when things are bad. Why do hospital admissions make someone less believable?

Also I can't remember the exact wording but did the Tonight programme explicitly state that was why SS were concerned or did they ASK if that was why - there's a pretty big difference.

Hope we are helping to answer your questions.

Posen what's your usual name on Mumsnet?

I've just been as honest as I feasibly can be Posen - without my medical records in front of me I can't possibly give you an answer that is any more accurate. I am not being "cagey" intentionally, and I'm sorry if it's coming across that way. Nothing is being concealed - I've given you the best qualitative answer I can, but can't give you a quantitative one without the documents.

I haven't seen the programme, so I can't comment as to what they did or didn't say.

I'm not sure what else it is you want me to answer to be honest?

Fran

there are always going to be people who like to speculate. Nothing you can do about that really.

I have been following these threads but i missed the Trevor Mcdonald program unfortunatly.

I really don't know what to say but do feel that some people on this thread are giving Fran a rather hard time & as always they are under there "secret" names.

Doricgirl are you Fran's friend>?

Fran i would like to ask some questions, when is Molly due? are you in a safe place & do you feel more positive regarding when your daughter enters the world she will be allowed to now be with you?

I wish you all the luck in the world i really do, i just hope you prove everyone wrong & that you & Molly can be happy together.

Hello Scooby,

Molly is due on the 3rd of Jan. We're both very safe, and very well supported. I am entirely confident that when Molly is born she and I will now be together.

My midwife and psychologist are both fully aware of the previous situation in the UK. Both have had all the documents that I have. Neither sees any reason to take it any further. As an aside, both are shocked at how things had progressed in the UK, particularly the birth plan - but that may well be because similar processes simply don't exist here.

Thanks,

Fran

Hi Scooby Doo - yes I'm a friend of Fran - which you can wait for her to confirm if you want.

That's why I've been trying to answer some of these questions - to try and spare Fran the hassle and also to show there are people who know Fran in real life who are backing her up and have witnessed some of this stuff.

You sound like a good friend Doricgirl

Really glad to hear that you can now have time to relax a bit more & try to focus on the fact your going to become a mother & have your daughter with you very soon.

I am glad for you & no matter what anyone says on this thread, you know the truth, you know what is right & what is wrong & you know you deserve to be with Molly.

I was also like to add that at 22 you come across very level headed & very mature & well educated, i think you need to be very proud of yourself.

I Hope your birth goes well & that you make an announcement & share all the gory details with us all here.

Take Care

Thanks Scooby

Sorry doricgirl i was not questioning because i did not believe you, i have actually only read 1 post from you, must have missed your name in others

I am glad Fran has such good support & a great friend by the sounds of things, i am sure many of my friends & family would be the same, in fact many of us would be lost without good friends & support in life.

Doricgirl is most definitely a rl friend!

I'm glad you have some RL support- and MN is a fab support network that you can access wherever you are Fran; I do hope that you find it helpful over the coming weeks, months and years!