or should a baby not be found starving next to his destitute mother's corpse?

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Asylum seeker from Uganda, found dead in a Govan flat after losing her leave to remain and as a result, her job.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53904251

I think this is horrific.

Hi @Ellamiss.

The lady's tragic death could have been caused by any number of things.

I'm not implying she starved to death, but she has been described as 'destitute' and reliant on food donations.

I don't know what health problems she suffered from nor how her poor baby ended up as 'malnourished'.

I'm glad the baby was found and is now receiving the care he needs.

Our treatment of asylum seekers really needs to be examined and overhauled.

RIP Mercy

Just awful.

Yet another thread where some people showing how nasty and small minded they are. Thankfully most people are kind and nice human beings. A mother lost her life, a child lost its mother that is horrendous enough without some of you adding unnecessary nastiness.

Horrendous. And where was the father in all of this? He was obviously around as he appears to be caring for the baby now.

"This boils my blood. Glasgow is not the richest city in the world but a shocking number of our citizens live in horrendous poverty and neglect'

Isn't Sturgeon still doing daily press conferences? Wonder if someone will bring it up. Nothing to do with covid of course but that doesn't stop the media.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

"This boils my blood. Glasgow is not the richest city in the world but a shocking number of our citizens live in horrendous poverty and neglect'

Isn't Sturgeon still doing daily press conferences? Wonder if someone will bring it up. Nothing to do with covid of course but that doesn't stop the media.

@GetOffYourHighHorse I sincerely hope she does. I’d be disgusted if she didn’t. Honestly I have argued with people on Facebook tonight who say this is all Westminster’s fault and if we were independent it wouldn’t have happened. Yes, the Tories’ hostile policy is where it started but as a city and as a country (Scotland) we fucking failed her and her child. We did.

Oh for crying out loud, that's awful. My heart is breaking for this woman who tries to do her best for her baby, going along to a mother and baby group (which I think is quite brave) and ends up dead with her child alongside her. Awful. Just absolutely fucking awful

@FOKKYFC it’s heartbreaking. I know my friend is really struggling with what’s happened but we all know how it is at baby groups - you see someone once a week and get on well, you might exchange numbers or join a group chat but you’re not going to know if that person has then taken ill unless you’re in regular contact. And then Covid means no more baby group. It’s awful.

@Ginger1982

Horrendous. And where was the father in all of this? He was obviously around as he appears to be caring for the baby now.

If the father saw his child once per week and Mercy died suddenly a day or two after his last visit, then he may not have known anything was wrong until his next visit. Not all separated couples contact each other between visits.

It's plainly obvious some people are wanting the degree of sympathy to be dependent on how she died No, it is blatantly obvious that some want to know what did happen so that their ire, and possible actions, can be directed appropriately.

Reading many of those posters, myself included, it seems they/we are already actively involved in some form of local community work, may have more expereince in such crap happenings! Far from being nasty and small minded some are waiting, to see if there is anything they can do without getting the thread closed, speculating and "making noise, full of sound and fury"

It looks like she was here with legal paperwork with an end date, she was working, the visa was not renewed and she would have been expected to reapply - she was not successful then applied for asylum. Is this true?

If she wanted to apply for asylum why did she not do this in the first instance?

It seems on one hand there are plenty of people wanting to help asylum applicants/refugees from certain cultures over others, but the information that is being passed to them is not always enabling them to fit in with the predominant cultures, is not making them aware of how to access the correct services, in the correct way.

From what was said today, she came over on a limited work visa and refused to return to Uganda when it expired. She was an illegal immigrant and lost her job. She reached out to charities and received loads of help including food for her and her son. She was part of a support group and had family, friends and the father of her child nearby. The cause of death is still unknown. All this hysteria over lack of support and her supposedly starving to death 🙄

This has been posted from one of the organisations helping her. A food parcel they’d dropped off

hysteria?
a woman dies alone except for her baby who nearly starves next to her dead body?
that's not something we should be angry and upset over?
I've read everything now.

According to the Guardian, "a more complex picture has emerged"

Reportedly, too, Mercy's sister "expressed concerns about the media reporting of her sister’s death, in particular some suggestions that Mercy or her child had been starving. She cautioned against jumping to conclusions until the full facts had emerged"

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/28/friends-paint-fuller-picture-of-mercy-baguma-she-was-a-rainbow

[quote Puzzledandpissedoff]According to the Guardian, "a more complex picture has emerged"

Reportedly, too, Mercy's sister "expressed concerns about the media reporting of her sister’s death, in particular some suggestions that Mercy or her child had been starving. She cautioned against jumping to conclusions until the full facts had emerged"

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/28/friends-paint-fuller-picture-of-mercy-baguma-she-was-a-rainbow[/quote]
Exactly what some of us were saying, thanks for posting the article.

@StillWeRise

hysteria? a woman dies alone except for her baby who nearly starves next to her dead body? that's not something we should be angry and upset over? I've read everything now.

Didn’t actually say that at all, did I?

I find this also disheartening. The press deliberately mislead the public in order to sell more news and create division. Organisations and individuals then jump on the story filling in their own gaps and using this poor woman as a pawn to suit their political narrative. People then spew hatred accusing each other of not caring and still continue to do so (whilst purporting to be tolerate and caring themselves). And then, a few days later more facts emerge (but by this time people are less interested in the facts, having already become het up and resoundly stick to their own narrative). Why is there no longer any meaningful discussion? Why no waiting for the facts? Meaningful analysis? Layers of grey and blurred lines rather than black and white viewpoints? It's all knee jerk reactions (from either side). It's lazy. And it creates anger and hate and is reactionary. Truthful and accurate reporting is a thing of the past these days. And it seems unpopular to hold a moderate view point.

Yep, Arther. It's par for the course, unfortunately. Papers want stories that support a particular narrative.

I very much support refugees and it's tragic that this woman died. We know next to nothing about the circumstances, though. Mercy deserves more respect than her tragic death being used like this.