or should a baby not be found starving next to his destitute mother's corpse?

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Asylum seeker from Uganda, found dead in a Govan flat after losing her leave to remain and as a result, her job.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53904251

I think this is horrific.

"Asylum seekers/refugees/illegal immigrants are all treated very well in this country"

They aren't beaten or murdered, but the evidence is that they are left to sink or swim,
not given enough knowledge and support on how to live in the UK, where to go if they run out of food or money

Knowledge that almost anyone brought up in the UK would have, to survive problems
but that someone from a developing country on the other side of the world won't have

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'The fact that so many people don't know or care about the impact the Empire had on many countries that are now fked is depressing.'

Oh not The Empire again that ended decades ago. I wonder if other countries inhabitants are constantly blamed for their predecessors actions?

Asylum seekers/refugees/illegal immigrants are all treated very well in this country. As they should be.

As someone who is from the empire, there are still huge issues due to past british rule. Until 1956 the british government were in complete control of the economy, this of course mean when british rule ended they emptied the piggy bank. A country doesn’t recover from financial ruin in a couple of generations.

I also agree that not all asylum seekers or economic migrants attempt to come here due to the empire. Many do not come from countries which were part of the empire. The empire does explain our long history of immigration, but there are much more recent and pressing reasons why people choose to try to emigrate or seek asylum in the UK (war, famine, poor living conditions- not all of that is directly or indirectly due to the UK’s historical actions). They come because they believe living here will be better than their home country.

@PenCreed
A relative of ours worked with Asylum seekers - and yes, they get £35.

When our relative died, some of the people she helped visited her at the hospice and came to her funeral, and were devastated.
One said ''She was like a Mother to me''.

This poor woman and her child have been utterly failed :(

'could have been suffering from any number of health conditions and the baby was malnourished because he had been there some time.'

Yes and there was a similar incident a couple of years ago where a young mother and in that case, her child were found dead.

So as I said earlier before we blame The Empire or Priti Patel show some respect and wait for the facts.

Oh not The Empire again that ended decades ago. I wonder if other countries inhabitants are constantly blamed for their predecessors actions?

Not all other countries have such a dubious history of overseas expansion and colonisation.

As someone else says upthread, the effects of colonisation hang around for a long time.

"oh it's sad but"

no fucking buts

a baby is malnourished in one of the richest countries in the world, and its mother destitute

Imagine that was your daughter, your baby, your sister, your wife, your colleague, you.

Imagine if she was a middle class blonde girl and the baby had blonde hair and blue eyes, would you say the same things? Imagine, and try to develop some humanity.

*Why do we need to wait for anything. What difference if she took her own life or used food banks as posters above suggest we need to do. Why do we need to know those things before we say it is just wrong ?

So those thingS might make it right that a starving baby was found next to their dead mother ?? Might mean something didn’t go badly wrong somewhere vis a vis support for the vulnerable???

Good god people !
RIP Mercy.*

This.
All the "It's very sad but... She was a foreigner, and we don't know all the details yet" seem to imply there could be "mitigating circumstances" in which such outcome was OK. Racist much?

Let's forget about skin colour and visa status for a moment: is it OK, that, in this country, a lone parent can die alone, and there child would die too, if 7t weren't for neighbours hearing cries? There should be regular community welfare checks on lone parents with no support network. Regardless of immigration status (should also include British people obviously, isolation kills regardless of nationality, and the government is bound by law to place the welfare of children first in all circumstances!)

'imagine if she was a middle class blonde girl and the baby had blonde hair and blue eyes, would you say the same things'

You do know blonde haired blue eyed people are destitute too? Please dont be so racist, as if white people arent in poverty!

I would say exactly the same thing, it is tragic but we don't know the cause of death yet so let's wait to find out the facts before sounding like a daily mail article.

There are some vile comments on here.

RIP Mercy so very sad.

I read this and it made me cry. I have a one year old and I simply can't imagine. To think that he has been in there for days - just unspeakable. The system failed this woman, i don't see how anyone can see it any differently. We should all be ashamed of our country.

its a bit of banter and running away are whats wrong with the world and lack of empathy and understanding

This is wrong. That it is also happening to British citizens is also wrong. That anybody is starving to death in the UK in 2020 is shameful. Deeply, deeply shameful. I don't give a shit what people's papers say, nobody deserves that.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'imagine if she was a middle class blonde girl and the baby had blonde hair and blue eyes, would you say the same things'

You do know blonde haired blue eyed people are destitute too? Please dont be so racist, as if white people arent in poverty!

I would say exactly the same thing, it is tragic but we don't know the cause of death yet so let's wait to find out the facts before sounding like a daily mail article.

@GetOffYourHighHorse Nowhere has this person stated that blonde haired, blue eyed people can't be destitute. They were stating that some reactions may be different if she were.

@Notnew

its a bit of banter and running away are whats wrong with the world and lack of empathy and understanding

I think I’m understanding more than the people jumping to conclusions. All I’ve said is wait for the facts as the cause of death is unknown. I have plenty of empathy, it was a horrific way to go no matter the cause of it

@Kaiserin

*Why do we need to wait for anything. What difference if she took her own life or used food banks as posters above suggest we need to do. Why do we need to know those things before we say it is just wrong ?

So those thingS might make it right that a starving baby was found next to their dead mother ?? Might mean something didn’t go badly wrong somewhere vis a vis support for the vulnerable???

Good god people !
RIP Mercy.*

This.
All the "It's very sad but... She was a foreigner, and we don't know all the details yet" seem to imply there could be "mitigating circumstances" in which such outcome was OK. Racist much?

Let's forget about skin colour and visa status for a moment: is it OK, that, in this country, a lone parent can die alone, and there child would die too, if 7t weren't for neighbours hearing cries? There should be regular community welfare checks on lone parents with no support network. Regardless of immigration status (should also include British people obviously, isolation kills regardless of nationality, and the government is bound by law to place the welfare of children first in all circumstances!)

Exactly. All the "ifs", "buts" and "let's not speculate" are sickening. A woman died, leaving her baby starving. That is heartbreaking.

All the "ifs", "buts" and "let's not speculate" are sickening

I'd hope we can all agree this is heartbreaking, but actually MNHQ have specifically asked us not to speculate ...

Had we not plundered other Countries for goods and wealth, in past centuries, with the 'Empah' {Empire} , it would be a very different story now

Nearly any country that became powerful/influential had an empire. Of course, now the UK is really just coasting on its past reputation and is naturally weakened (but pretends otherwise). Of course, the US and China are no better in this regard .... but they still do matter these days. All this to say ... stop apologising already!!!

Horrible story, one wonders if the father knew anything about the difficulties she was having?

Not all other countries have such a dubious history of overseas expansion and colonisation

True Belgium, Germany, France, the Netherlamds, Spain, Portugal, and Italy were considerably worse when they took a country.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

All the "ifs", "buts" and "let's not speculate" are sickening

I'd hope we can all agree this is heartbreaking, but actually MNHQ have specifically asked us not to speculate ...

It's the context in which it's said. It's plainly obvious some people are wanting the degree of sympathy to be dependent on how she died. But what possible circumstance could there be which would make a woman dying alone with her baby left starving anything but tragic?

"They added: "The Home Office takes the wellbeing of all those in the asylum system extremely seriously".

Yes I can see how "seriously" they take it and no doubt "lessons will be learnt" which seems to be the go to catch phrase these days for every fuck up where lessons have not been learnt.

@MangoFeverDream

Had we not plundered other Countries for goods and wealth, in past centuries, with the 'Empah' {Empire} , it would be a very different story now

Nearly any country that became powerful/influential had an empire. Of course, now the UK is really just coasting on its past reputation and is naturally weakened (but pretends otherwise). Of course, the US and China are no better in this regard .... but they still do matter these days. All this to say ... stop apologising already!!!

Horrible story, one wonders if the father knew anything about the difficulties she was having?

I'm failing to see how having a bit of empathy for a dead asylum seeker/immigrant/whatever you choose to refer to her as, amounts to apologising for the British Empire.

People are completely making up in their heads that she 'starved to death'. The cause of death is unknown, and the wording:

A police spokesperson said her death is being treated as unexplained but not suspicious.

is often used when there has been a suicide. The baby might well have been starving because he or she had been alone after the mother died, and that quote came from someone from a housing action charity, not police or hospital, etc.

Of course it's a tragedy that any child should lose their mother. Very sad.

I'm failing to see how having a bit of empathy for a dead asylum seeker/immigrant/whatever you choose to refer to her as, amounts to apologising for the British Empire

Referring to the quoted text from a PP. Honestly don’t think her situation had much to do with empire, but some are always bringing it up even where it doesn’t make sense. Kind of just tired of it getting shoehorned into everything.

I don’t even have pride in the whole empire thing, but nearly all countries that grow large and powerful have a history of it.