or should a baby not be found starving next to his destitute mother's corpse?

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Asylum seeker from Uganda, found dead in a Govan flat after losing her leave to remain and as a result, her job.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53904251

I think this is horrific.

@FTMF30 another one here who agrees with everything you've said.
The fact that so many people don't know or care about the impact the Empire had on many countries that are now f**ked is depressing.

Just for clarification incase anyone isn't sure..... there is no such thing as an 'illegal immigrant', the term is asylum seeker. Nice work the Daily Hate has done in making the most desperate people in our communities demonised.

My family came to the UK as asylum seekers before that was even a phrase. There but the grace of God go I. I am privileged to have been born here, that's a simple quirk of luck. Not everyone is as lucky.

@m0use

If she had an outstanding asylum claim, she should have been eligible for asylum support (not sure on the age of her son, but around £75-80 a week, plus housing paid for), as well as free prescriptions, dental etc.

I'm curious as to why this individual was relying on charity, and if they were receiving, or had been refused asylum support. Without knowing that, while it's very very sad, I think there's more to the case.

I thought asylum seekers received about £35 a week. And they definitely aren’t eligible for other benefits - you only receive benefits after your claim for asylum has been approved and you have an ID card. The housing, especially in Glasgow lately, is appalling.

Everything about this is awful, whatever her circumstances.

My God a woman has been found dead and a child lost it's mother.
Anything else doesn't matter, apart from finding out what happened.
I don't care where she came from, it's fuckin immaterial
May she RIP, poor woman.

Not everyone is an asylum seeker..... many are economic migrants too. Some are just plain illegal.

Why do we need to wait for anything. What difference if she took her own life or used food banks as posters above suggest we need to do. Why do we need to know those things before we say it is just wrong ?

So those thingS might make it right that a starving baby was found next to their dead mother ?? Might mean something didn’t go badly wrong somewhere vis a vis support for the vulnerable???

Good god people !
RIP Mercy.

Too heartbreaking for words.

The poor woman, and her poor baby. I hope he's being well cared for now, and that someone gives him a loving home.

[quote Waxonwaxoff0]@Itsjustabitofbanter except she wasn't an illegal immigrant, she was an asylum seeker so not appropriate.[/quote]
A lot of people upset by my post and twisting my meaning. If you want to argue semantics, she was originally an asylum seeker, her asylum wasn’t granted. Does that not make her an immigrant?
It’s really shit what happened to her child, but I was just saying there’s too many people jumping to conclusions here, the fact that she lost her job is a potential red herring. The cause of death right now could be anything.

I think its 37 if your claim is outstanding, and assume she would receive the same for the child? Not sure though.

I did however just see a GoFundMe saying her support application was outstanding. Very sad.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

"Friends and relatives became concerned for their welfare when communication with Ms Baguma ceased on Tuesday 18 August"

It's not clear if any of the "friends and relatives" were nearby, but I'm surprised if nobody visited to check on her

Dreadful outcome of course, but as PPs have said it might be wise not to assume anything until more is known

Watch Dreams of a Life, that girl was t found in her flat for 6 years and family lived near by!

Hi all

We don't think this thread is appropriate for AIBU - we're moving it over to in the news now.

Can we remember not to speculate? It will likely end in the thread getting removed.

Also, please do remember that a mother has lost her life - so please do post with care.

"It is self-evident that not everyone who applies for leave to remain in the UK will succeed"

Yes, I agree some should be refused

I just don't agree that the penalty should be capital punishment by neglect, rather than deportation

There have been three asylum seeker deaths in Glasgow in the past three months. One was the man who went on a rampage and was shot and another was a man who committed suicide.

Something needs to be done to stop more tragedies.

There are no circumstances in which a woman and her baby should be allowed to starve to death in the 21st Century.

the article implies she died of starvation, this is what food banks are for...

Often there is a limit on how many times you can access a food bank, it has to be by referral, and you need to have the means to both obtain the referral, travel to the food bank, and then cook the food.

@HeronLanyon

Why do we need to wait for anything. What difference if she took her own life or used food banks as posters above suggest we need to do. Why do we need to know those things before we say it is just wrong ?

So those thingS might make it right that a starving baby was found next to their dead mother ?? Might mean something didn’t go badly wrong somewhere vis a vis support for the vulnerable???

Good god people !
RIP Mercy.

If there are other factors certain people can be happy in the knowledge that it was the black womans fault and therefore nothing to be bothered about and nothing needs to change in society.

This is absolutely dreadful!

I wept as I read this. I am so ashamed of what this country has become.

simonJT exactly so. It makes me sick to my stomach - too much has happened to just sit back and think ‘their politics are totally different from mine’ etc. I just won’t read that bile and say nothing anymore.

@formerbabe

Can't believe anyone would write, 'its sad, but'

.... This

Yes, thousands of British people go hungry,
but that shouldn't be used to diminish the tragedy of this individual non-British woman dying and the near-tragedy of her baby joining her

'The fact that so many people don't know or care about the impact the Empire had on many countries that are now fked is depressing.'

Oh not The Empire again that ended decades ago. I wonder if other countries inhabitants are constantly blamed for their predecessors actions?

Asylum seekers/refugees/illegal immigrants are all treated very well in this country. As they should be.

Of course it’s a tragedy, and I doubt anyone would really believe it was anything other than that.

I think, though, that before we start wholesale condemnation we do need to remember that we don’t know why she died (article implied possibility of starvation or was it due to a sudden deterioration in a known/unknown health condition, for instance). As we don’t know, nor do we know what support she had/was getting, it’s hard to know if it was solely due to being impoverished and lack of access to services etc, or something less preventable.

The reason does not detract from the tragedy though.

It would seem wrong that if her right to remain was revoked that she was not adequately supported to feed and put a roof over their heads until such times as she could be returned to her country of origin (or complete any appeals process available to her).

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'The fact that so many people don't know or care about the impact the Empire had on many countries that are now fked is depressing.'

Oh not The Empire again that ended decades ago. I wonder if other countries inhabitants are constantly blamed for their predecessors actions?

Asylum seekers/refugees/illegal immigrants are all treated very well in this country. As they should be.

They are treated well? Sure they are.

If there are other factors certain people can be happy in the knowledge that it was the black womans fault and therefore nothing to be bothered about and nothing needs to change in society

This thread will probably get pulled but I think it’s disgusting that it’s being touted as anyone’s fault based on speculation. She could have been suffering from any number of health conditions and the baby was malnourished because he had been there some time.

It’s painfully sad, it’s awful for her son but this thread is distasteful in the way it’s being used and I regret contributing.