MSbP, Lost Mothers 4

[Bunglie]

I thought it was about time we had a new thread...I felt it might be better to keep the same thread name, but I want to make it clear that it is for ALL mothers who have been seperated or lost children for what ever reason. You do not have to be accused of anything to post here, we would also be grateful if anyone comes across any articles and could just post a link to them here, so we can keep up with the news! I myself seem to miss it all, and if it were not for Mnetters posting links I would still be 'in the dark' about a lot of things. So Thankyou to all of those who have supported us.

I myself feel very privilidged to be part of such a wonderful group of mums, who have shown me nothing but support. It is 10 months ago that I first 'stumbled' across Mnet. I come here when I feel down, or need cheering up, for help and advice. I know of 5 mums who have posted on this thread due to 'false accusations' but I also am aware that there are some mums out there who read it for support and information but do not feel able to post, due to the 'gagging orders' they have placed on them.

I chose a story at 'random' but asked the person who posted it if I can repeat it here,and I feel that it highlights what so many mother's have gone through.

I would hate to think that we are a 'clique' in the world of Mumsnet because we rely on all of the mumsnetters for their help and because of that I hope that no one feels excluded from posting and that you will continue to help us as you have done in the past.

Love Bunglie XX

Horseshoe, Yes there are journalists out there and some of them want my story, but if they printd anything that could identify me or my children and also certain details, not only am I breaking the law but the journalist could be imprisoned. I doubt they would imprison me, but they may fine me and so whatever I do I have to be very careful.

I just wondered at this point why or even if people thought I should go public and if I did take that risk then is it really a story people want to know about.
I think I have worked out the answer and know what I am going to do, but because this thread is being 'monitored' I am careful what I say, so please excuse me if I do not tell you my decission........yet!

Thank you all for saying you would light a candle etc. It means a lot to me and the other mums who post here and who have been falsely accused, you see it is not just me. In the last year Mumnet has helped and supported at least 5 mums if not more that we know about....and we all love you and thank you for that support.
Bunglie

Champs, Please do not be sad. Today is a good day if just one other person realises what is going on. Today you have shown me what a lovely and careing lot of people you are.
So Don't be sad Champs. Enjoy your Christmas and remember that by you understanding a bit more has helped me and given me the best Christmas present, (apart from my children back) that I could ask for.
Love Bunglie and all the falsely accused mums.

Oh Bunglie
My heart really goes out to you and everyone like you - I hope that some day you will all be reunited and enjoy happy times

Bunglie, I will light candles for you all and my baby son who died due to cot death on this very day. If you ever think of having a meeting or protest in the near future...then you can count on me and my friends and family to be there for you. Wishing you all the very best..sobeit

bungle i am very sorry this has happened to you and others. This is a very very unfair situation! I have sat here for the last hour reading through this whole thread and it has tugged at my heart strings and made me cry! I can not even begin to imagine what you are going through and really really hope and pray that one day you will be able to be with and share many many happy and loving times with your children like every mother should.

I will light a candle and will have you all in my thoughts.

I will also be following these threds as this is all very new to me but if i can help in any way i will.

Please be as strong as you have always been you are a very very very brave lady.
take care xxxxxxxxxxxx

I too will light a candle Bunglie and pass the message on to all my friends for them to do this small thing on xmas eve.

Now that Mumsnet have captured the media attention do you think it would be possible if say we chose a date (maybe one of your childrens' birthdates) and make it an unofficial "lost mums" date and drum up some media coverage to spread the story further and further?

Seasons Greetings all.. (as you see, im not a sleeper )

Bunglie, first could I add: dont forget Prof Sibert and Dr Davis in the Meadows and Southall GMC catagory These Dr's also are under investigation by the GMC.

second, DITO I to was accused without ever meeting the Dr who suposedly confirmed I was MSBP
He never met myself or children ever.. I doubt he even knows what we look like or any important issue about us...
The worst thing is that we cannot speak out, and I have a fair idea what side the law falls on when it comes to speaking about a case..
One case I know of the Dr spoke about the family out of court and the judge just told them its not allowed and that was it... how fair was that to the family being gagged....

the question from cranberryjampot,
am I right in thinking this is what the nurse Beverley Allit had several years ago?

I just wanted to say, yes they use Beverley Allit as the example of what these Dr's say is MSBP but MSBP is not a listed illness (the children she harmed or killed were already in hospital).. MSBP is suposed to be a mother making her child sick (a form of child abuse) for attention. The children Beverley Allit harmed were already sick or in need of medical treatment. The criminal courts dont allow MSBP to be used now and abuse or murder has to be proved..Its the civil courts that need to take the same action.. (since no proof is needed here)

Bunglie When these Dr's are stoped/struck of the medical register there will no longer be MSBP labels,
and although you were accused of MSBP you surley cannot have this suposed illness just as all other accused mothers do not.

I'd also just like to add,, there is no listing in the DMV to confirm there is such an illness as MSBP, abuse is abuse and shoud be named so..

love huggs and special prayers for all the children and lost mothers...

Bunglie - my DS1 brought me home a present from school yesterday - it was a candle holder that he made himself and a silver candle. He wanted it lit on Christmas Eve and I told him that I knew just what we would light it for. Without giving him all the details I explained that it would be for all mums, dads and children who for one reason or another weren't together this Christmas which he thought was a great idea.

Now we have "Special" candle to light.

Hugs.

Bumpity, bump, bump
It is worth everyone reading this
Humbling

So many of you have your own sad stories and reasons for lighting your own candles this Christmas. My heart goes out to you all as Christmas will be a hard time for you. Christmas is about new life, forgiveness and for most of us families.

You have all given me the best Christmas present I could have ever hoped for, I wish that I could repay you for this. I hope one day I can as Mumsnet has played a very large part in my life in the last year and when the truth is known, and one day it will be.
It may take years before this secrecy stops, but stop it will and normal loving parents will no longer be afraid to seak a doctors advice for fear of this false allegations label.

Earlier in the week neither I nor my dh could face Christmas, but now, together we put up a tree. It is only small but Christmas will be celebrated in my home as you have all given me something to celebrate. My wish has been realised and I feel that I must, in return, not only thank you all but celebrate the fact that hopefully, in the near future, no more mothers will have their children taken under the false diagnosis MSbP.

Thank you ALL

I went out on Tuesday and I saw Cheesy and Spuddy. I gave them a basket of 'little' goodies from 'Santa'. I got a Card from them today asking me to thank everyone on mumsnet for their support over the year, and wishing you all a happy Christmas.
Because they do not have access to a computer I print off the thread each week and post it to them! They are appealing against the councils decission but in the meantime they are spending Christmas together at Spuddies bedsit.

Please remember if it had not been for mumsnet then Spuddy or Cheesy would have never got out of their 'situations' or found the feeling of self-worth that they both now have. Spuddy has even stopped, on medical advice taking AD's. I will keep you updated but I hope that they have a wonderful Christmas together because if these two people can celebrate then I have no excuse.

I wish you all a very happy Christmas, from all the mums you have helped.

Lot of Love, Bunglie,Spuddy,Cheesy and Ikogneetoe. (Unfortunately I have not heard anything from PostSue, but If I do I shall let you know), but we wish her a Happy Christmas.

I have just lit three candles.
One for my son,
One for my daughter,
One for all those I wish I could bring together this Christmas and for those that I know and respect,many who have had their own problems in the last year.

By my Candles is a card which says;

May these lights shine with love,
For the Children and many Mother's, Let there be peace on Earth this Christmas, And give strength and support to all others.

I am no poet but I hope that the setiment is there. I hope that next Christmas I can post about my own children and that no more children will have been adopted due to false allegations of MSbP. That is my New Year resolution.

I thank you all and wish you all a very happy Christmas and a lovely New Year. Please enjoy your Christmas and your children in the knowledge that you have given this one person the best Christmas present ever.

I love you all, Bunglie XX

Bunglie - i hope you have a wonderful christmas too. I will be lighting my candles very shortly and will think of you and other mums who have suffered in the same way.

I Can't say too much but I got the BEST Christmas present I could have wished for.

Just a text message....but it is very much more than I had hoped for.

I thank you all for lighting your candles, I hope that soon we shall be able to celebrate more than just a New Year.

I hope your Christmas was all you wished for, not too stressed and that the New Year brings us all love, tolereance and happiness.

Sobeit....I am thinking of your dd, (and you of course) A very happy New Year to you and soon to the New little one you will have. Do you have any names picked out yet?

Awen- I hope that you and DS had a wonderful Christmas and the first of many together.

IKNT - I just send you my love, and an email!

To all I just want to say thank you and that you are all very special people who I care about alot, Happy Boxing Day and thankyou for giving me the best Christmas I have had in years.

Bunglie - i am soooo happy for you. What a wonderful xmas you must have had. Here's hoping that by this time next year it will be even better xxxxx Happy Boxing Day xxx

oh that is just wonderful Bunglie. I am so pleased for you. XX

bunglie brill news

Good news for you Bunglie

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Oh, Bunglie! I'm jumping up and down with joy for you - that must really have made your Christmas. Big hug, lots of love, and I hope that this is the start of good things for you.

bunglie, so glad for you. Hoping 2005 is full of good news for you.

Bunglie, I am glad you have received good news and may it carry on into the New Year for you. Best wishes. sobeit

Wonderful news Bunglie! I truly hope that more will happen next year to rebuild the relationship you deserve with your children. I see more and more evidence that MSPB is being thoroughly discredited and hopefully there won't be any more cases like yours. Happy New Year to you!

WONDERFUL I am really really pleased for you Bunglie.. I know that it must have meant alot. It is a step in the right direction and although it may be painfully slow it will get better and better.

Thank you bunglie too for thinking of me and ds at xmas. We had a really special time and I had to keep pinching myself to see it was all real too

Hugs to you bunglie & all of you xxx

I will post more when I have time!

I thought I would start a new thread for the MAMA DVD and for anyone who wants to borrow a copy. I have a system worked out now so all will be explained and all you have to do is CAT Janh your Address, but will explain all later.

I have heard back from the makers ands I was worried about copywrite rules, and they are very happy about this but the one condition is that no one is charged for watching it!

So I will not be charging you anything more than postage to send it back after you have watched it!

Do you think it is a good idea to start a new thread?
Are many of you interested in seeing it?
Do you know what it is and think a synopsis would help?

As I said more later but I hope that you all had a Wonderful New Year and let us see what 2005 brings us all

Oh Bunglie, that's fantastic. So happy for you!