Asylum seekers in small boats.

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What is so dreadful about France that somebody would put unaccompanied children in a dingy and send them to England? I just can't begin to imagine what is going on. Is it a brutal regime in other European countries?

I should add that this isn't some racist rant. I understand that England and English is a draw for many, they may have relatives here and so on.

@Ylvamoon

They are not asylum seekers, they are economic migrants. There is a greater chance for them to be send back by France & the European union than the UK... and it's cheaper for France to let them cross the Channel than to properly house and process their claims.

Out of interest how can they be economic migrants if they are not arriving legally?

@thedancingbear

I work in the field of human trafficking.

Is that legal? Surely you shouldn't admit that on here?

ivfdreaming

Desperate for what I wonder ??? 🤔

These people are ECONOMIC migrants.”

“These people”? Human beings like you, you mean, who weren’t fortunate enough to be born into a functioning, first world country?
(For the time being).

Can you imagine the depth of your desperation if you feel that putting your children into a rubber boat because the prospect of drowning is better than returning to your homeland?

The example of people filmed this morning were from Syria. They were asylum seekers (unless you feel living with war for 8 years, at risk whichever way you turn, your own government or ISIS, doesn’t qualify?) People in the UK are weeping and wailing on the internet because they have to wear a mask into a supermarket. Just begin to try to imagine a fraction of what the people in that boat have lived under for years.

And if people are economic migrants. So what? Wouldn’t you do whatever it took to try to give your children some sort of future?

Most immigrants contribute a great deal more to our society than they take.

I always ask the "we must save our fellow humans"this question and they can never answer.

How many will you save - I million; 3 million; 1 billion? How many is enough to be let in here to salve your conscience? And then when the next person arrives on shore - what will you say to him or her? Will you say, sorry we are full or will you say, oh come on in and bring in the ship load behind you. Oh and yes I am of course happy to wave goodbye to the NHS, to the welfare state, to my old age pension - because these benefits will have to go in order to pay for the millions who arrive.

1 million, 3 million, certainly. 1 billion rather unlikely don’t you think?

Do you know how many immigrants keep the NHS afloat and contribute to the welfare state? Where those lovely old British pensioners would be without young men and women from Eastern Europe and the Philippines wiping their bottoms, feeding them and paying tax and National Insurance to contribute towards their charges’ pensions.

So much inaccurate, racist BS in this thread.

We don't have enough housing, schools, healthcare and all the other social needs because of government policy and greed. It's not because of asylum seekers or poor people, it's policy.

There are many ways to create and maintain safe, affordable housing for everyone and we choose not to. We choose homelessness, poverty, children living in squalor and health issues. The commodification of housing is the issue, not immigration.

Watch Push, short film about housing with the UN special rapporteur.

MrsTerryPratchett

“Watch Push, short film about housing with the UN special rapporteur.“

Unfortunately, lots of people don’t want factual information.

They just know they’re right!

So true

@Annasgirl I always ask the "we must save our fellow humans"this question and they can never answer.

How many will you save - I million; 3 million; 1 billion? How many is enough to be let in here to salve your conscience? And then when the next person arrives on shore - what will you say to him or her? Will you say, sorry we are full or will you say, oh come on in and bring in the ship load behind you. Oh and yes I am of course happy to wave goodbye to the NHS, to the welfare state, to my old age pension - because these benefits will have to go in order to pay for the millions who arrive.

There are a fair few questions in that little ramble so perhaps that why people don’t answer??

Put some spaces in and I’ll happily tell you what I think.

Can I ask a question? Do you really think describing people as we must save our fellow humans people is an insult?

Ask youself this question.....who pushed their big fat greedy noses into whose country first?

@Skyliner001 this should explain it to you: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-difference-between-asylum-seekers-refugees-and-economic-migrants-10460431.html

[quote Ylvamoon]@Skyliner001 this should explain it to you: www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-difference-between-asylum-seekers-refugees-and-economic-migrants-10460431.html[/quote]
And the 8 year old is... 🙄

Seen elsewhere ...

This is a mind field and extremely complex. From my naivety I understand the root underlying cause needs to be addressed and prioritised.

We evidently live in a global village and given the diversity the grass is always greener elsewhere.

This is one for the likes of UN and possibly some more influential nations to either stop meddling in regime change with "secret" financial and military support/proxy civil wars (USA, Russia, China, Israel, Saudi Arabia etc) or conversely support political leadership which is not harming its own people. The Italian mafia and Turkish organise criminal gangs (amongst other known human trafficking and people smugglers) seem to be profiting (allegedly). Maybe they have the right political connections?

As I said very complex and disturbing. Not sure what the answer is and whether apart from liberal Germany whether local populations in other north Western European nations would accept them. Morals and humanity notwithstanding.

I suppose some might suggest it's payback time for the British...

www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html

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They are Economic Migrants sailing out to our Country as we are soft and hand out benefits like sweets to them! It's a shame we don't treat our homeless better and ex service men. Most are from African with a history we are not aware of but ablige by putting them up in swanky hotels. France don't want them understandably so they bring them over using French Border Force and hand over to awaiting English Border Force. It's a damn disgrace! A group of these men had already tried to kidnap two young girls probably wanting to rape them. I am never voting again as this is the reason I wanted Brexit in the first place. Machette and knife crime on the up obviously and London is becoming a no go zone.

@thedancingbear

I work in the field of human trafficking.

Is that legal? Surely you shouldn't admit that on here?

sorry. A little light relief. As pp have said, language and we are slightly less brutal than France.

the reason I wanted Brexit in the first place

The thing is, now we have left the EU, and all the benefits of Brexit have kicked in (where are you going to keep your helicopter ?) then the UK has become even more attractive to migrants than before. When we were a small country bound up by the shackles of the EU doing as badly as Farage and friend said, no one wanted in. But now we've unleashed our potential as Boris promised, and leapt to the top of the world leader board, is it any surprise everyone around the world wants in ?

We might have to hire some immigrants to keep immigrants out.

Let’s just remember, the people most outraged by parents crossing dangerous water in dingys with their kids are the same people that fell over themselves to defend Dominic Cummings when he was just ‘doing the best for his child’ and breaking quarantine in the process

I wonder if a world government would solve the problem? So all resources and money would be split equally between everybody. Everyone would get the same amount of benefits etc? Do you still think people would want to come to England? Or would people from England want to go and live in Africa because they can get more for thier money?
Obviously I know it’s hugely impractical and most countries would not give up thier independence (brexit a big example) but purely as a theory I wonder what the impact of a world government would be to migration, war etc,

People do know that most other European countries accept more migrants than us every year? And give them more help/money

Language is surely the main reason. Also family ties. Due to our Colonial past and current Commonwealth arrangement, English is widely spoken in Africa and there must be many many people from former colonies who have moved here quite legally over the decades. Those that are trying to travel now may well have family connections here.

If an agreement had been reached that asylum seekers would receive equal entitlement in whichever country they settled in Brexit may not have happened.

What is the link between ex service men, machetes, Africans and kidnap of young girls? I await an axpnation. Many Thanks.