Shamima begum allowed to return to UK

[mummabear1967]

Surely I’ve got this wrong? She’s actually allowed back to the UK after joining a terrorist group abroad?

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?

@lakesidesummer

you and other posters have made terrible assumptions and stereotyped the U.K. (white people)

Are you suggesting that the UK equals white people?
That being British is somehow linked to skin colour?

I'm thinking I must have misunderstood this comment but I'm not clear what you mean?

Yes you have misunderstood. Some of the posters are clearly believing every one who objects SB coming home is doing so because of racial bias. Eg..

It is bizarre. I think it is a mix of our 'global domination' history, the fact a lot of the world speaks English and the island mentality

There is no sense of partnership or give/take, they think the UK is entitled to just take and take

sergeilavrov I’m not talking about media coverage. The families of these girls still have had no input off the police to how this has happened despite the families and the community desperately asking and needing to know so they can make sure it they can warn and educate their children and to stop it happening again.

jessstan2 I agree the media have to stop publishing stories about her. It’s serving no purpose except to whip up racial tension between communities.

I’m not sure if she could ever be ‘deprogrammed’ or of she would be allowed to roam free. I wouldn’t like to bet my children’s safety on a women’s mental health I know nothing about,

As much as I can have some sympathy with her being brainwashed, the fact is she made her choice and letting her back is setting a very dangerous precedent. People need to know if they make this choice, its a final one!

Some of the posters are clearly believing every one who objects SB coming home is doing so because of racial bias.

That's not what many people are saying.

There does appear to be a racial element in double standard some posters have where:

1. The UK should be free to deport foreign nationals who commit crimes in the UK and send them back to their country of origin
2. But we shouldn't have to have our own citizen back because we don't fancy having her back, she should stay in Syria, it's really 'unfortunate' that we can't find a way to force another country to deal with a young Muslim woman who was born, raised and radicalised in the UK.

Equally there's also a likely racial element to the interesting double standard where:

1. Victims of CSE have been groomed, it's accepted that 15 year olds can be groomed

But

1. If you're a Muslim girl with good grades then you couldn't be groomed. SB knew exactly what she was getting into, she knew what her life would be like, it's her own free choice, nobody made her get on a plane.

As much as I can have some sympathy with her being brainwashed, the fact is she made her choice and letting her back is setting a very dangerous precedent
We are already taking some of our citizens back.
SB isn't setting a dangerous precedent.

And why on earth should other countries, often with far far less resources than us have to deal with our citizens because the mob in the UK say so?

Shamima Begum is too dangerous to come back to the UK.

She's not too dangerous for Bangladesh or Syria though - they aren't as important as we are.

@Everycloud12

Shamima Begum is too dangerous to come back to the UK.

She's not too dangerous for Bangladesh or Syria though - they aren't as important as we are.

Tbh she is too dangerous for any country, as are all IS members.

If they are bringing her pack - which makes me uncomfortable - then I hope she gets the book thrown at her. She needs to be put on a deradicalisation programme and given a long prison sentence, which again, makes me angry because we will have to pay for that, but I guess there aren’t any alternatives.

Yes we will have to pay for that - as we do for all other criminals.

She is more dangerous in Bangladesh, Kurdistan or Syria. They do not have the intelligence and security apparatus to contain and monitor her. Even though I suspect that the decision of the HS is legal, it is the wrong decision in terms of security.

@CodexDevinchi

I'm not trying to cover myself in glory, only put in my 2 cents like everyone else here?

And no I dont want her back here as she could potentially always be dangerous. But it is the right thing to do.

@CodexDevinchi

As for the racial element, yes I do believe there is one, whether that is directly (she isnt white so is viewed less sympathetically) or indirect (shes too dangerous for UK but fine for Bangladesh etc).

But like I said I think most of it is the general British superiority complex where we are ourselves as being above the rules.

@Everycloud12

Shamima Begum is too dangerous to come back to the UK.

She's not too dangerous for Bangladesh or Syria though - they aren't as important as we are.

This isn’t a serious post, surely? I am reporting for straightforward racism.

@CherryPavlova I think it was sarcastic!

No LolaSmiles thats what you read in to it because if people don’t think like you they are all white racist knuckle draggers.

People have every right to want to reject her coming back - it doesn’t make them right but it certainly doesn’t make them racist either.

Tbh I find it really sickening that you and others are constantly dragging CSE victims on to this thread to support your theme. Are you not capable of putting your thoughts across with out accusing people of racism and pulling in another set of abused girls to further your point?

Also I recommend you research what the difference is between CSE and Extremism recruitment ( which is what happened to SB and her friends) and you might find ER is actually a shit load more dangerous and that SB and her friends were specifically targeted. So please stop dragging the CSE victims in to it. This case stands on its own merit.

@CodexDevinchi

You're being ridiculous. Nobody needs to WANT her back, just to acknowledge it is wrong to leave poorer countries to clean up our mess.

If you genuinely dont think she should come back, by default you are saying she should either stay in Syria or go to Bangladesh, who are much less capable of sufficiently prosecuting or monitoring her. So by default you are saying she should go off and be more of a danger to other people but not here thank you very much. So therefore you must regard people in Syria or Bangladesh as being less important. To me that is indirect racism.

The question should be should she come back?

It should be - is it ethical to use school girls as bait for terrorism intelligence.

Because that’s exactly what the Met police did.

[quote Wolfgirrl]@CodexDevinchi

You're being ridiculous. Nobody needs to WANT her back, just to acknowledge it is wrong to leave poorer countries to clean up our mess.

If you genuinely dont think she should come back, by default you are saying she should either stay in Syria or go to Bangladesh, who are much less capable of sufficiently prosecuting or monitoring her. So by default you are saying she should go off and be more of a danger to other people but not here thank you very much. So therefore you must regard people in Syria or Bangladesh as being less important. To me that is indirect racism.[/quote]
Errr I think you’ve mistaken me for some one else. I’ve said no such thing. Go back and read my posts

Such a fantastic example of posters talking out of their arse. I’m fully supportive of SB coming home and advocate a full enquiry in to how it happened - yet I’ve just been accused of being racist and that I think I’m better than people in Bangladesh! Wtf

No LolaSmiles thats what you read in to it because if people don’t think like you they are all white racist knuckle draggers
People of the view that the UK should be able to deport foreign criminals but also refuse to have our own people back if they're a Muslim sounds like there's a racial element to me.

Also I recommend you research what the difference is between CSE and Extremism recruitment ( which is what happened to SB and her friends) and you might find ER is actually a shit load more dangerous and that SB and her friends were specifically targeted. So please stop dragging the CSE victims in to it. This case stands on its own merit.

I mentioned CSE and country lines grooming because some people on this thread have seriously argued that SB should not be allowed in the UK because she was a 15 year old girl and knew exactly what she was getting into! Apparently if you're a Muslim schoolgirl then that doesn't count as grooming.

Either 15 year olds are children who need protecting from grooming because they can be groomed, or 15 year olds are mature enough to make informed decisions and don't need to be safeguarded. Some on this thread seem to think only some children can be groomed, which is worrying.

It's funny how when anyone on this thread points out the huge double standards that being held by some here the response seems to be 'yeah but that doesn't count.. no that doesn't count either... why are you mentioning things that highlight the lack of logic in some of the positions here... None of that counts... don't mention those topics either... '

I agree 100% with Lola.

People of the view that the UK should be able to deport foreign criminals but also refuse to have our own people back if they're a Muslim sounds like there's a racial element to me

It might sound it to you but you have zero proof that it’s racism based. You dilute actual racism because you throw that accusation about about when people don’t agree with you.

By the way - no one on this thread has said that they don’t want her back because she is a Muslim. Your making stuff up.

@Wolfgirrl

I agree 100% with Lola.

Well yeah you would do. You can’t even read posts correctly your just here for the ‘your all just racists party’...

Lakesidesummer

Are you suggesting that the UK equals white people?
That being British is somehow linked to skin colour?

I'm thinking I must have misunderstood this comment but I'm not clear what you mean?“

Indeed. Presumably this poster doesn’t frequent many large British towns or cities. I think the state of our country at the moment is bloody dire, for various reasons too lengthy and boring to list.

Having travelled in 4 continents, one of the things I really do love about it as a white citizen is the genuine diversity of our population. I don’t travel to London, where I was born, much these days, couple of times a year because I now live 400 miles away. When I do though I spend as much time as I can manage travelling on buses and listening to the multifarious languages. I think it’s wonderful.

So sorry, *lakesudesummer”. As soon as I pressed send I realised I’d completely missed your completely obvious point.
So sorry. Of course, there are millions of British people who don’t have white skin, who were born in the UK as I was and so often were there parents, grandparents, etc.
.I had people from elsewhere who have made Britain their home and adopted citizenship in mind because several make up part of my friendship group.
Huge apologies, feel like a tit now 😊

She should be shot for treason