Shamima begum allowed to return to UK

[mummabear1967]

Surely I’ve got this wrong? She’s actually allowed back to the UK after joining a terrorist group abroad?

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?

Nope, I agree that the law is the law and that she has to return UNFORTUNATELY. Like I said before, it doesn’t mean I want her back
We can tell you don't want her back. That much is obvious.

It still makes no sense that you think that the UK should deport foreign nationals who commit crimes here, but then think it's 'unfortunate' that other countries should be able to do the same and send our citizens back to us so SM should be dumped on Syria or Bangladesh.
The lack of logic is hilarious and worrying.

I think if Syria deports her then we would have to take her back. But until then she should stay where she is.

@LolaSmiles

Nope, I agree that the law is the law and that she has to return UNFORTUNATELY. Like I said before, it doesn’t mean I want her back We can tell you don't want her back. That much is obvious.

It still makes no sense that you think that the UK should deport foreign nationals who commit crimes here, but then think it's 'unfortunate' that other countries should be able to do the same and send our citizens back to us so SM should be dumped on Syria or Bangladesh.
The lack of logic is hilarious and worrying.

Well, do you want her back?

Well, do you want her back?
Yes. I've already said that.
She was born here, raised here, radicalised here. She is our problem to deal with.

I don't believe that we should be looking for ways to dump our problems on other countries and I certainly don't subscribe to the double standard (most likely race related) that some, like yourself, have where we should deport foreign nationals who coming crimes in the UK but then actively try to find ways to avoid taking responsibility for our own citizens.

@LolaSmiles

Well, do you want her back? Yes. I've already said that. She was born here, raised here, radicalised here. She is our problem to deal with.

I don't believe that we should be looking for ways to dump our problems on other countries and I certainly don't subscribe to the double standard (most likely race related) that some, like yourself, have where we should deport foreign nationals who coming crimes in the UK but then actively try to find ways to avoid taking responsibility for our own citizens.

I mean personally, are you happy for her to roam the streets again?

Well, do you want her back?

I'm am really unclear what wanting has to do with this?
International law isn't a matter of wanting things.
We aren't picking out a new pair of jeans or choosing a snack.
Being an adult means we cannot run our lives solely on what we want, we teach dc this.

My understanding was that Syria had a few minor issues of their own at the moment so, again, it's a case of Britain pushing things into countries that already have a shit load of burdens.

Seems that some priotise the UK wants over any kind of responsibility for own own citizens when we've decided we don't like them.

This thread is really depressing. Syria can have her! Bangladesh can have her! Bloody hell.

A quick Google seems to indicate that Syria and UK do not have an extradition agreement.

OP you seem to be conflating her being allowed to return for an appeal with her winning the appeal AND being allowed to "roam" the streets. You're missing several essential steps plus making up worst case scenarios and presenting them as reality.

I mean personally, are you happy for her to roam the streets again?
I think she should be brought back to her country of birth and held responsible for her actions in a court of law.

I don't believe that our judiciary should be ran on what the mob want.

You're missing several essential steps plus making up worst case scenarios and presenting them as reality.
100%
In the OP's world the rule of law only applies to some people and what matters is whether people with nowhere near enough knowledge of a case think about the defendant probably based on their own prejudices and what they've read in the Daily Mail

probably based on their own prejudices and what they've read in the Daily Mail Did you read my Guardian link upthread and the comments?
Unfortunately SB is turning into a bit of a scapegoat considering the amount of former jihadis who have come back to the UK.
She should come back but it doesn't mean people should be pleased about it.

I think British people believe they are inherently special & most worthy of protection in all circumstances. The people ranting that SB should be left to rot in Syria would be the first to say any foreign criminals here should be deported.

The same sort of people that go on about our country being full up yet own a house in Spain... ok will stop talking about MIL now 😬

“The people ranting that SB should be left to rot in Syria would be the first to say any foreign criminals here should be deported.”

Absolutely spot on, “Wolffgirl. They really don’t see the irony.
Bet she won’t eat that “foreign muck” either.

derxa
I didn't, but can easily believe some of the comments mirror the Mail.

It's terrible that people who have no idea on international law, citizeniand issues of terrorism are quick to vent their hatred towards a 15 year old girl who was groomed, has lived under a terrorist regime, and lost several children. The lack of logic many of them seem to have is astounding: UK should deport foreign nationals who commit crimes, but no no no to us having a young woman from our country back (even ignoring the fact she was groomed as a child to be a child bride).

You're right. She's becoming a convenient scapegoat and a socially acceptable (to some) way to demonstrate intolerant beliefs.

@Wolfgirrl

I think British people believe they are inherently special & most worthy of protection in all circumstances. The people ranting that SB should be left to rot in Syria would be the first to say any foreign criminals here should be deported.

The same sort of people that go on about our country being full up yet own a house in Spain... ok will stop talking about MIL now 😬

Absolutely

It is bizarre. I think it is a mix of our 'global domination' history, the fact a lot of the world speaks English and the island mentality.

There is no sense of partnership or give/take, they think the UK is entitled to just take and take.

Another illogical viewpoint: expecting that the UK can remove the only citizenship she has had since birth due to her joining a terrorist organisation, but another country cannot refuse to give her citizenship on the very same grounds.

Tardigrade001
Highly illogical, and they'll insist that race has nothing at all to do with their view.

Jesus some of the latter comments on here about why posters don’t want her back are ridiculous and bigoted themselves. Maybe posters are just scared she will get out and continue or she will become a figure head because of the media coverage. Doesn’t mean they are ignorant or racist. People’s genuine concerns are valid. Those girls joined an army that inflicted a lot horrific damage, what they did to the Kurdish women and children is beyond evil. People have a right to be scared of anyone with that connection. It really doesn’t help that one of the girls father was filmed at a rally with well know Islamic hate preachers and Lee Rigbys killer. People feel fear when this women is in the news. To call it racism is just fucking basic.

For what it’s worth I do think she should be bought home. These were not stupid girls, they all studied very hard but we need to find out how this happened. The school and police had already spoken to these girls in school and did not inform their parents. Why? I’m actually in two minds if they used them as bait tbh. And she needs to come back and talk.

Maybe posters are just scared she will get out and continue or she will become a figure head because of the media coverage.

Of course, like I said nobody WANTS her here. I certainly don't.

But - she was 15 years old. Britain is so secular it is hard for most people here to imagine the hold that religion can have over you if you have been raised in it since birth. She has effectively been brainwashed into travelling to a war zone, marrying a much older man, bearing 3 children who then died and has been living in a tent for 2 years. She hasn't been living the high life.

The only difference between SB and one of the grooming gang victims is that as a Muslim girl she was ripe for the picking by a religious extremist as well as a sexual predator.

We need to be holding the older men responsible. However I dont think she should ever life unmonitored again.

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*sorry when I said she was a Muslim girl therefore ripe for picking, what I meant was she already had the foundations of the religion layed so it wouldve been easier to lead her to a more extreme version.

Wolfgirll you and other posters have made terrible assumptions and stereotyped the U.K. (white people) which is racial prejudice. So whilst your stood on your soap box being ‘right on’ be mindful of what’s coming out of your own gob as your not covering yourself in glory either.

I don’t mind her coming back, in fact I wouldn’t mind her coming back if she had been 18 when she went. She could have vital information on how these girls were contacted in the first place. Something her community are desperate to know. There has been an information black out by the authorities and it’s not right.

It’s an issue of security and intelligence. Why is it not right to block media publication of details? It’s national security.

you and other posters have made terrible assumptions and stereotyped the U.K. (white people)

Are you suggesting that the UK equals white people?
That being British is somehow linked to skin colour?

I'm thinking I must have misunderstood this comment but I'm not clear what you mean?

@Wolfgirrl

Maybe posters are just scared she will get out and continue or she will become a figure head because of the media coverage.

Of course, like I said nobody WANTS her here. I certainly don't.

But - she was 15 years old. Britain is so secular it is hard for most people here to imagine the hold that religion can have over you if you have been raised in it since birth. She has effectively been brainwashed into travelling to a war zone, marrying a much older man, bearing 3 children who then died and has been living in a tent for 2 years. She hasn't been living the high life.

The only difference between SB and one of the grooming gang victims is that as a Muslim girl she was ripe for the picking by a religious extremist as well as a sexual predator.

We need to be holding the older men responsible. However I dont think she should ever life unmonitored again.

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I want her back here and know many others who feel the same way. Obviously conditions apply and she will need to be carefully monitored and deprogrammed if that is necessary but not forever. I also think she should not be recognised beyond her immediate family, ie not shown in the media.

The girl needs care after all she has been through.