Shamima begum allowed to return to UK

[mummabear1967]

Surely I’ve got this wrong? She’s actually allowed back to the UK after joining a terrorist group abroad?

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?

Just checked and found out that if SB spends less than a year in prison, she would be eligible to stand as an MP.

What's that got to do with the UK's responsibility to deal with the home growing of terrorists and the grooming of children in the UK?

If you feel strongly that nobody who has been in prison should be ineligible to stand for parliament then campaign to have the law changed.

It doesn't change the fact that we can't abandon the rule of law as long as enough people shout that they don't like the defendant / prospective defendant.

OP just think for a moment about the principle of law and due process. Do you agree all citizens should be subject to it?

You don’t have special circumstances for suspects who could be heinous offenders just because public opinion is against them.

Our justice system regularly works to protect us from the kind of offenders whose brutality is terrifying. Let it do it’s job.

My post was for the OP who thought that a criminal conviction would prevent SB from working. I was pointing out that not only can convicted people work post prison, but they can even become MPs.

I have no desire for the laws to change am appalled at how our government have behaved here.

If Begum returns, it is extremely likely that she will need a new identity, even if she were to remain housebound. A well intentioned postman could result in her safety being compromised. If she were to be released for reintegration at some point, her new identity would enable her to find employment.

I thought she'd be appearing on chat, shows, help to write a book and then it could be made into a film. Nothing surprises me the way this country behaves.

If she comes back to face justice, fine, but I don’t feel that she should ever be allowed to roam the streets again.

DioneTheDiabolist
That makes more sense

I did think it was a random comment

@mummabear1967 so you're happy for taxpayers money to support her in prison for the next 40/50 years?

[quote ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble]@mummabear1967 so you're happy for taxpayers money to support her in prison for the next 40/50 years?[/quote]
I’m not happy with any of it! Quite frankly, I’d rather she just stayed in her camp in Syria for the rest of her days tbh!

@mummabear1967

Why should Syria keep her? As a war torn and poverty stricken country?

Tbh , you sound very young OP with soundbites and knee jerk, feet stamping reactions of "I don't wanna!" Without any thought to law, due process or what this means for the future in terms of citizenship,international relationships etc.

Quite frankly, I’d rather she just stayed in her camp in Syria for the rest of her days tbh!
Out of interest, do you think the UK government should deport foreign nationals who commit crimes in the UK?

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble

Tbh , you sound very young OP with soundbites and knee jerk, feet stamping reactions of "I don't wanna!" Without any thought to law, due process or what this means for the future in terms of citizenship,international relationships etc.

I’m 53 but thanks for saying I’m young 😁😁

At 53, I would have expected you to know and understand a bit more about how the law works OP.

@DioneTheDiabolist

At 53, I would have expected you to know and understand a bit more about how the law works OP.

I know how the law works. I am just expressing my anger at what she has done. The law is the law, but it does anger me that she has to come back to country. She is not wanted by anyone here.

She is not wanted by anyone here.

OP I can understand that you are angry with her and don't want her here.
I can also understand thinking that people don't want her here.
But this country has hundreds of thousands of citizens who aren't a benefit, people who have committed far worse crimes than this young person.
The rule of law is a precious thing that the UK did a great deal to create as concept, is it worth losing over one young girl who made bad choices?

mummabear1967
OP, in case you missed it rather than deliberately ignoring, do you think the UK government should be able to deport foreign nationals who commit crimes in the UK?

@LolaSmiles

mummabear1967 OP, in case you missed it rather than deliberately ignoring, do you think the UK government should be able to deport foreign nationals who commit crimes in the UK?

Yes of course I do. I never said I don’t believe the law shouldn’t apply to her. As I said, I am outraged that there are no other alternatives to this.

@mummabear1967 if you understand how it works I dont really know what you want anyone to say. Of course nobody WANTS her back bar her family, but we understand she SHOULD come back which is quite a different thing. I just wish they had done it sooner so her poor baby had stood a chance.

@lakesidesummer

She is not wanted by anyone here.

OP I can understand that you are angry with her and don't want her here.
I can also understand thinking that people don't want her here.
But this country has hundreds of thousands of citizens who aren't a benefit, people who have committed far worse crimes than this young person.
The rule of law is a precious thing that the UK did a great deal to create as concept, is it worth losing over one young girl who made bad choices?

Ehhhh it’s not just me that doesn’t want her here - there are plenty of people who don’t!

The law is the law, I get that, I am expressing my disappointment that she HAS to return and that there are no other options.

Also, she made a deliberate choice to go to a foreign country and join a terror group. I think a 10 year old would know that isn’t acceptable.

Yes of course I do. I never said I don’t believe the law shouldn’t apply to her. As I said, I am outraged that there are no other alternatives to this.
So according to you:

• The UK government should be free to deport people who break the laws of this country and send them back to their country of origin
• but when a UK citizen has broken laws overseas then we shouldn't have to have them deported back to us because there should be some other country we can dump them on, including the country where the crimes may have been committed.

Makes total sense.

The other option is to have her executed I suppose.

@LolaSmiles

Yes of course I do. I never said I don’t believe the law shouldn’t apply to her. As I said, I am outraged that there are no other alternatives to this. So according to you:

• The UK government should be free to deport people who break the laws of this country and send them back to their country of origin
• but when a UK citizen has broken laws overseas then we shouldn't have to have them deported back to us because there should be some other country we can dump them on, including the country where the crimes may have been committed.

Makes total sense.

Nope, I agree that the law is the law and that she has to return UNFORTUNATELY. Like I said before, it doesn’t mean I want her back.

Ah so you're just having a temper tantrum, let's all talk about how awful she is...with no interest towards the law, the precedents this ruling sets and what it would mean for the future of British citizens.

Got it.

I don't imagine you are the only person with your views OP, it is just that I'm in a conversation with you at present not others.

It is unproblematic to be disappointed that the country has to manage this girl, that is very different to suggesting the UK shouldn't follow international law or should dump its problematic citizens on other poorer country.