Shamima begum allowed to return to UK

[mummabear1967]

Surely I’ve got this wrong? She’s actually allowed back to the UK after joining a terrorist group abroad?

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?

It is horrid to see on threads like this is the disregard for international law and order.
But what scares me to my core is the way dumping our home-grown terrorism elsewhere is justified. What the fuck happened to the basic, common decency? Do these posters routinely dump their kitchen bins into neighbour’s property?
How is it even possible to consider that we should not own what we bloody MADE HERE and just dump them if it’s convinient? How cruel you have to be to even think like that, let alone defend it?
And what do these posters think of the human beings who live in other countries where we are dumping this lot? Sickening!

What terrorism has she committed in the UK, that can be proven in a court?

How can there reasonably be enough evidence to justify stripping someone of their citizenship from birth, but not enough evidence to convict them of any crimes?

Her marriage to the Dutch citizen might not even be legally recognised, depending on age of consent and how the marriage was contracted. But as @Totickleamockingbird said, why should we send our suspected criminals to another country as if the safety of the people there doesn't matter?

What the fuck happened to the basic, common decency?

I am not sure we should be applying 'common decency' to murderous terrorists that join the Islamic state to kill and dismember people.

Maybe I should rephase. We should NOT be applying 'common decency' to murderous terrorists that join the Islamic state to kill and dismember people.

@ZombieFan I keep asking but no one is answering. What about British white far right terrorists? That have either murdered or plotted to murder people, attack synagogue,mosques etc?

What about the bloke that's homeless and stranded in the EU because he was made stateless because of "discrepancy in paperwork" , keeping in mind he has been in this country since he was 14 and came as a refugee? Should he be treated with some common decency? The law decided not to.

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble
By the 'logic' being espoused here we should research their ancestry and send them off to some other country too.

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble What about British white far right terrorists?

If ANY British person commits terrorism in the UK then they should be punished in the UK and deported if necessary. Its not rocket science.

What about the bloke that's homeless and stranded in the EU because he was made stateless because of "discrepancy in paperwork"
Not sure what that has to do with a person joining the Islamic state to commit terrorism in Syria.

For those not understanding radicalisation of young people, the Netflix series 'Caliphate' depicts it. Horrifying.

Shocked that my post has been removed for being offensive. I was expressing sympathy with her situation as a young women living in a restrictive culture in a modern liberal society. That is the lived experience of many young women and look how that played out for her.

[quote ZombieFan]**@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble* What about British white far right terrorists?*

If ANY British person commits terrorism in the UK then they should be punished in the UK and deported if necessary. Its not rocket science.

What about the bloke that's homeless and stranded in the EU because he was made stateless because of "discrepancy in paperwork"
Not sure what that has to do with a person joining the Islamic state to commit terrorism in Syria.[/quote]
Ok you think a white British person committing terrorism in the uk should be deported.
To where?

Not sure what that has to do with a person joining the Islamic state to commit terrorism in Syria.

Because once you set precedents(and we've already done so), especially very public ones it's not just the ones you (general you) deem unworthy and vile that get caught in the crossfire.

Any citizen born from non British parents can be then stripped of their citizenship for "paperwork" reasons for example,leaving them stateless and stranded if unlucky enough to not be in the UK.

If ANY British person commits terrorism in the UK then they should be punished in the UK and deported if necessary. Its not rocket science.

Deported where? Even so, it's not happening. There has been one far right terrorist attack last year and 3 plots intercepted by the authorities. The culprits might be in jail, but they still have their British citizenship and free to live here once their sentence is served.

*If ANY British person commits terrorism in the UK then they should be punished in the UK and deported if necessary. Its not rocket science."

er, it kind of is, where do you want them to be deported to?

You mean of course if any non white person commits an act of terrorism they should be sent to where their parents or grand parents of great grandparents were born. Why should it be that country's problem? If I join ISIS where should I be deported to? Scandinavia because my most recent non-British ancestors were vikings? If a white British person joins a banned far right organisation where do they get deported to? All British.

you think a white British person committing terrorism in the UK should be deported
Scrapping the barrel, where did I say that? If they commit a crime in the UK they should be punished in the UK. And IF they are American (or whatever nationality) they should be deported to there.

Any citizen born from non British parents can be then stripped of their citizenship for "paperwork" reasons for example,leaving them stateless and stranded
If someone voluntarily rips up their British passport to join another state, to commit terrorism, and loses their British citizenship then it is their own fault.

Shamima has not acted upon her possible Dutch or Bangladeshi citizenship so its far to early to declare her stateless.

@ZombieFan you are missing the point. This law doesn't just apply to Shamima. It doesn't even just apply to terrorists.

That's the issue, the more it's used, the more it's publicised , accepted and defended the more "collateral damage" we will have.

A refugee child for example could have their citizenship revoked as an adult because the Home Office believes the paperwork they got their citizenship on is inaccurate. Never mind that they had no control over it, that they have lived here for 20 years, they're working, haven't committed any crimes etc. Sorry mate, can't come back from your holiday, you're not British anymore and your passport is invalid.

The cynic in me wonders if this is why this case is so much at the forefront of the media, while others remain mainly unheard of. She makes a good villain and people are unknowingly supporting a law that doesn't only target terrorists.

'If we let Shamima Begum into the UK she will cost us millions'

We're one of the richest nations in the world.

But the plan is to dump her on a really poor country and make them pay. Even though she's British, was educated radicalised here etc.

This utter lack of responsibility is really worrying. And this keeness to pass a problem that belongs to us onto a country with fewer resources and fuck all to do with it. Because she's British.

Both Holland and bangladesh have said no chance so she is stateless. Holland have said, quite rightly, she has no possible claim as she wasn't legally married to the Dutch guy, only a religious ceremony in Syria. And Bangladesh have publicly stated they will execute her for terrorism offences if they granted her Citizenship. Those avenues are firmly closed.

And anywy why should they have to deal with her? She's never been to either country. She grew up here and was a product of our education system. She was radicalised here, by other British citizens and her terrorist acts were committed here and in Syria only. WTF should any other country have her foisted upon them? I just dont get any justification for that, it like the old imperialist send the crims to Australia, so obnoxious and outdated.

@ZombieFan I quoted your post so I don’t know why you think you didn’t say it.

“ If ANY British person commits terrorism in the UK then they should be punished in the UK and deported if necessary.”

To spell it out, white British would come under ANY British person

@ZombieFan you might not feel any sympathy for Shamima. Fair enough, I won't go into that.

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What about him? It's something that is happening and not just to terrorists.

If we let Shamima Begum into the UK she will cost us millions. We're one of the richest nations in the worldSo tax payers should fork out millions of pounds to look after foreign terrorists for life just because we are a 'rich' country'? Tell that to people in care homes!

Queenoftheashes Have no idea what point your making.

@ComeOnBabyPopMyBubble Why are you conflating 'refugees' with terrorists. They are not remotely similar.

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Wow zombie

Ok so this is at a really bad point where British people want to swerve international law and dump one of our citizens on a country they have never been to and have way less resource to deal with, to save us a few quid.

Mortally bankrupt is the word that springs to mind. Also selfish, shortsighted and quite frankly stupid.

She is not stateless. It was clear that through her parents she had Bangladeshi citizenship. The issue is they don’t want her either surprisingly

So we get her back by default then, although the Govt are going to appeal the decision

With technology as it is today I fail to see why her lawyers ( and shame on them for representing a terrorist) can’t talk to her via a video link, I am sure it can be set up

As I said before if she comes her she has to be arrested for treason and terrorist activity as soon as she sets foot in the country. Then her lawyers can talk to her in her prison cell

She may have been 15, but she absolutely knew what she was doing

She was a young groomed child.
Our local authorities knew she was at risk and failed to act.
She has been failed by the system and the terrorist adults took advantage of that.
International law forbids leaving someone stateless. She is a U.K. citizen and has a right to return. She will face our judicial system but it would be very difficult for her to get a fair trial anywhere. We probably can’t remember the name of the July 7 London bus bombers who killed so many but this girl is known by everyone. She was trafficked, married as a child and lost three babies. No wonder her head is a horrendous muddle.
It’s a very sad story. There should be a SCR. There should be people asked to account for failings that should have protected her.

@ShinyFootball
Mortally bankrupt is the word that springs to mind

Personally I think its morally bankrupt to excuse a person from the consequences of their choices. To want a country they went to war against to pay to look after them in comfort for their whole lives.

I wonder would people have a different opinion if it was their children she helped slaughter?