Shamima begum allowed to return to UK

[mummabear1967]

Surely I’ve got this wrong? She’s actually allowed back to the UK after joining a terrorist group abroad?

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?

madcatladyforever were you stitching your mates into suicide vests in order for them to blow themselves up and take with them as many men women and children

This.

Ridiculous comment cat lady.

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If we want to oust everyone British based on 'strange values ' there will be a massive amount of people being booted out!

What if all the other countries did the same? How would you all feel about people with links to this country but raised and schooled and with citizenship elsewhere being ditched on us? Not too keen, I imagine.

British society seems to be weak on taking responsibility is my read on this.

It's pathetic really.

Bangladesh has a host of problems and is not well off. The UK wants to dump one of our home grown terrorists on them.

Pathetic TBH.

@Megthehen

Technically British yes but a very strange set of values. ..not British or only when it suits her. Didn't know the poor dear had been made to feel unwelcome in the UK. Maybe if her family and their culture has been more flexible in terms of integrating, embracing a more modern and liberal way of life she would have felt more "at home". It is possible.

This is the crux of the problem not just in this case

@Megthehen

Technically British yes but a very strange set of values. ..not British or only when it suits her. Didn't know the poor dear had been made to feel unwelcome in the UK. Maybe if her family and their culture has been more flexible in terms of integrating, embracing a more modern and liberal way of life she would have felt more "at home". It is possible.

This is the crux of the problem not just in this case

She was 15, a few short months later and she would have been old enough to get married by law. She was old enough to know exactly what she was doing. She will come back here be unemployable therefore she will live off the very taxpayers she was happy enough to see dead

Does your apply to white Nazi type groups as well?

Which country shall we send them to?

I think maybe Brazil.

Should we send the men who have done the same and are back in the UK to random countries as well?

The government are appealing. At first I thought she shouldn't be allowed back. But she has suffered a lot. All three of her babies have died. Maybe she will make something of her life if given another chance.

@Megthehen should we strip white far right terrorists of their citizenship then?

Both her parents are from Bangladesh, she married a Dutch man. Is it really unbelievable that we suggest she goes to either of those countries? They are not mad, random places. She has big connections with both countries. She left the UK to go to live with ISIS. She committed her crimes abroad not in the UK. It seems obvious she should stay there instead of coming back to the country and people she hated to live off benefits.

@FanaticalMrFox thank you your post perfectly verbalised all the jumbled things I was thinking.

She was 15 when she left. She could have been being groomed for a couple of years - aged 13. What she did was beyond terrible but she was a child, she is British and it all started here. It is the responsibility of Britain to punish/rehabilitate or whatever they decide to do.

In a perfect world she wouldn't have been radicalised but she was and it's important that the government learn from this to prevent it from still happening. According to some newspapers she was responsible for 'recruitment' what needs to be asked is why and how. And to stop it

She has big connections with both countries.

Whilst the facts may support your assertion she has big connections with both those countries, they do not make her eligible for citizenship in either.

Away from this case in particular. Do we really want a situation where, if an accused terrorist is a dual-national, it becomes a race between countries for who can revoke citizenship first, and whichever country is slowest is the one stuck dealing with the suspect? Because that's what we'll get if the British government has its way.

Or perhaps will get the British government saying to poor countries, "Right, well either you deal with these terrorists who grew up in the UK because they have this slim connection to your poor country, or we'll cancel the foreign aid we're giving you." Is that the way to make a safer world, sending our terrorists to the countries least able to deal with them?

Or we'll just get loads of stateless people, which will just push them further into the criminal and terrorist groups.

@Megthehen
That's a lot of racist assumptions you make about her family. Does the same apply to Jihadi Jack's family?

She is not 'technically' British, she is British.

If we let Shamima Begum into the UK she will cost us millions. We will have to protect and look after her in relative luxury for the rest of her life. Her lawyers will also become rich.

If she loses her appeal it will be impossible to deport her. What law has she broken? If she wins she will be charged with a minor offence and get a slap on the risk.

But the worst thing is that letting her back means ANY terrorist will be allowed to return to the UK and use tax payers money to stay here protected for their whole lives.

Shamima is married to a Dutch man, she has Bangladeshi parents, she ripped up her British passport to join the Islamic state. She is not British and has no right to be here.

She was not groomed, she was self-radicalised. AKA she decided herself that the Islamic state were the 'good ones' No one brainwashed her, she made a free will choice and should have to live with the consequences of her choice.

What law has she broken? If she wins she will be charged with a minor offence and get a slap on the risk.

Terrorism, not a minor offence, as serious as it gets

Terrorism, not a minor offence, as serious as it gets
What terrorism has she committed in the UK, that can be proven in a court?

She despises the UK and was happy to live with murdering terrorists. She ended up on the losing side and is now playing the victim card, but had ISIS been victorious she would still be with them, celebrating every victory over the "infidels" that they hold in so much contempt. It's a pity we have to take her back, but we can't just break the law when it's inconvenient to us. Hopefully she will be kept under surveillance for the rest of her life, and if she does anything wrong they will lock her up and throw away the key.

She will be allowed back in this country and god knows what she is capable of. Do people really think she will be imprisoned here?! Not a chance. Very frightening that she will be returning - to have the gall to be able to leave for a war zone at 15 shows how dangerous she is.

She'll be less likely to be a terrorist than you or I since she'll be heavily under guard. She's only being allowed to return for her appeal hearing. So if it gets rejected she'll be off again. I think it is right she gets a fair hearing.

I would think it's to do with the fact that her husband was from the Netherlands. Perhaps that entitled her to claim Dutch citizenship?

She could claim Dutch citizenship after being married to a Dutch citizen for three years (and you also have to live outside your country of citizenship), but it would be through naturalisation, and not automatic. There's no way that The Netherlands would grant citizenship to a terrorist.

So if it gets rejected she'll be off again

Where would she be deported if she is only a British citizen? You can't deport someone if they don't have a passport.