Shamima begum allowed to return to UK

[mummabear1967]

Surely I’ve got this wrong? She’s actually allowed back to the UK after joining a terrorist group abroad?

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?

i would have thought she won't be allowed to just go home.

The court also stated the following:
In its ruling, the court said: ‘If the security service and the director of public prosecutions consider that the evidence and public interest tests for a prosecution for terrorist offences are met, she could be arrested and charged upon her arrival in the United Kingdom and remanded in custody pending trial.’

If we can accept that white British teens can be groomed by Asian gangs, abused and prostituted, it can't be hard to accept that teens of any colours can be groomed by extremists.

This is not a case of welcoming her back with open arms. It's allowing her back to the country for questioning and potentially a trial. And if she is found guilty, she is a british citizen, groomed whilst living on British soil. It's our problem. We can't go foisting her on other countries.

She was a brainwashed child. 15.

I’m glad there’s a shred of morality left (although I absolutely agree she should be questioned and possibly arrested on arrival and monitored / tagged for a very very long time).

@YellowandGreenToBeSeen

She was a brainwashed child. 15.

I’m glad there’s a shred of morality left (although I absolutely agree she should be questioned and possibly arrested on arrival and monitored / tagged for a very very long time).

I completely agree.

People forget that she is also a victim.

She's British. She grew up here, went to school here etc etc. She was a product of our society.

Removing her citizenship and dumping her on (I forget where) was a dick move.

She should always have been taken back here and then put on trial.

She will be scrutinised to the max if she does come back and all communications monitored so I'm not really worried about her becoming a sleeper agent or something. She didn't strike me as that bright so I'm sure she won't be able to evade the security services. I agree, she's a British citizen that was groomed here as a young and naive teenager and I agree, we need to deal with it. I am happy with due process happening in this country.

Victim my arse. Speak to 22 families in Manchester, they know what it is to be a victim. Hope she never has a days peace.

@pollylocketpickedapocket

Victim my arse. Speak to 22 families in Manchester, they know what it is to be a victim. Hope she never has a days peace.

Any child is at risk of being groomed, be it a sexual predator, drug dealer, terror cell etc. You can’t pick and choose which child victim is worthy of help and care.

She was 15 not 5, a straight A student who choose to seek out info online about isis, your attitude is an insult to genuine grooming victims.

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?
I'd be more worried what could happen if she doesn't. Especially if she died while still excluded from returning. You can't kill a martyr. And do you really think she'll just be allowed to go back seamlessly into her old life? Security services will potentially watch her, her whole life. After she gets out of prison/whatever.

Speak to 22 families in Manchester, they know what it is to be a victim.

So teenagers groomed for sex aren’t victims either?

This is a bogus argument using families who have suffered terribly. Crappy thing to do.

She was a child by law when she left here, whether 15 or 5. She faced unimaginable horror abroad, including the deaths of her three children. Once in ISIS territory I don't think you could just change your mind and leave. Removing her citizenship was illegal, as she wasn't a dual national. Ultimately there was no other choice but to bring her home.

IMO, The fact she was 15 when she left doesn’t change the situation. A 15 year old should know not to join a terrorist organisation.

She should stay out there and live with it instead of trying to make us feel sorry for her

@mummabear1967 Absolutely agree. The whole "she made a mistake" argument is absolutely laughable to me. A mistake? She willingly left to join terrorists. Bit more than a simple 'mistake'.

@DownThePlath I totally agree! She may not have actually took part in barbaric murder acts but the very fact she went out there and supported it is just as bad. Guilty by association

I have just seen this, I can't see her living an anonymous life in the UK - she'll be a point of interest for other potential or current ISIS followers.

The judges have said that the law overrides national security on this issue, which doesn't seem right to me but I'm not the legal expert - or is it the issue that the country which she does have citizenship in is not safe for her to return to? The judgement mentioned the likelihood of summary execution there (extra-judicial killing at the hands of the Police).

Point is, she doesn't have citizenship of any other country. I don't think we'd be having this conversation if she was a white English girl. Bringing her home doesn't mean allowing her to do whatever she pleases. It means dealing with her according to our national laws, which may turn out to be incarceration.

I think the attitude towards, what was a child when she left is pretty horrible.
I don't think any 15 year old could really comprehend what they were walking into.

She needs to have accommodation next door to the person who made this decision. Too much NIMBY on their part.

@SimonJT

No she is not a victim, at 15 she was capable of getting out of the country and going to live with ISIS. She knew exactly what she was doing. In addition when she was found in that camp she stated that she thought the Manchester bombing was OK. It was only when lawyers got involved she suddenly changed her mind

The victims are those who died not her. She deserves to stay where she is, and if she does come back her she must be arrested and tried Immediately

@BrassyLocks well it would be a waste of tax payers money to hold her in prison. I just think she should be left to stay in Syria.

But if she does return here and they put her in prison, I hope they throw away the key

@MintyMabel

Speak to 22 families in Manchester, they know what it is to be a victim.

So teenagers groomed for sex aren’t victims either?

This is a bogus argument using families who have suffered terribly. Crappy thing to do.

How can you compare children groomed for sex with this?? Utterly ridiculous

@BrassyLocks

Not sure I agree, look at Jahdi Jack, white boy, left where he was

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion I do believe that a 15 year old would know what is right and wrong about going to ISIS.