Shamima begum allowed to return to UK

[mummabear1967]

Surely I’ve got this wrong? She’s actually allowed back to the UK after joining a terrorist group abroad?

Anyone just a tiny bit worried about what might happen if she does return?

Bangladesh is a very poor country., why would they take our responsibility from us. Of course she should be allowed back. It’s the decent thing to do.

I don't know why some people defend her after the vile things she's done and said. She doesn't give a shit and she has no remorse.

@HousesforChickens

Why don't Bangladesh want her?

Why don't the U.K. want her?

Because she is not a Bangladesi citizen, she is British Housesforchickens.

So we have to support her and her children for the next however many years not knowing how screwed up she is?
No way!

Couldn’t give a stuff what colour/race she is. It is abhorrent that the likes of her should be allowed back into a country whose values she so clearly rejected.

@SpilltheTea

I don't know why some people defend her after the vile things she's done and said. She doesn't give a shit and she has no remorse.

Because the rights of others are universal, and do not depend on whether someone on MN thinks you're vile.

For example, I think the view you seem to hold that the government can withdraw citizenship without challenge is a pretty fucking dangerous opinion to hold, and either you haven't thought enough about it, or the police should seize your laptop and see if you have committed any crimes. I suppose you would want some judicial oversight of that wouldn't you? Or does Ms Begum not deserve any because she's not white?

@HousesforChickens

Why don't Bangladesh want her?

The same reason France, Australia and Japan wouldn’t, she isn’t a citizen of Bangladesh.

If she is returning to stand trial good and well. If she is returning full of hate for the country she rejected and poses a threat to other U.K. citizens that is completely unacceptable.

@FrenchtoEnglish

OP, you'd love the Daily Mail comments section. It's full of absolute fucking pricks who share the same opinion as you. You'll have a better time over there. This is about citizenship and international law. It's not about whether what she did was right or wrong. There's something wrong with you.

Partly agree with you. It is about citizenship & international law but also about what she did, and whether it was right or wrong. That's what will be examined during her trial, & the "right or wrong" part will be a determining factor in the outcome.

Don't like your tone BTW. No need to be rude. Or attack someone personally. It's very Daily Mail of you.

WTF!

Well said Esspee. Presumably all the "allow her back" merchants are happy to sacrifice their kids/family in the next bombing/mass stabbing.

Or is it alright when it's somebody else?

She comes back, and she faces trial.. as she would do if she was born a citizen of the UK.

Oh, wait a minute.. She WAS born a citizen of the UK.

It's a dangerous law that strips citizenship from someone without even going through a trial. And it will inevitably disproportionately affect ethnic minorities.

At the very least it creates a two tier citizenship, with threat of removal of your citizenship if you happen to have held another one at birth. To apply it here to someone who has a vague connection via her ancestry is appalling.

Try her, if found guilty put her in prison for the rest of her life, fine.

You do realize anyone with an Irish grandparent can claim Irish citizenship? So, having never stepped foot in Ireland, would you be happy to have your British citizenship removed? But funnily enough it never seems to be used against British citizens with that type of connection.

@Nandakanda

WTF!

Well said Esspee. Presumably all the "allow her back" merchants are happy to sacrifice their kids/family in the next bombing/mass stabbing.

Or is it alright when it's somebody else?

She is British. She is our problem. We don't get to dump her on another country and let them deal with it.

Presumably all the "allow her back" merchants are happy to sacrifice their kids/family in the next bombing/mass stabbing.

Because it will automatically be caused by her?

I have no sympathy for her really but I DO have a 15 year old DD and I can see why it happened
She was brought up in an environment where the most she could hope to look forward to was an arranged marriage, probably to some idiot cousin from her families home village who was barely literate. Suddenly she’s offered an exciting opportunity to travel abroad, marry a hero and further the cause of Islam.
I can see why she took it and I imagine reality hit very hard and fast but she was stuck by then

@dannydyerismydad

If we can accept that white British teens can be groomed by Asian gangs, abused and prostituted, it can't be hard to accept that teens of any colours can be groomed by extremists.

This is not a case of welcoming her back with open arms. It's allowing her back to the country for questioning and potentially a trial. And if she is found guilty, she is a british citizen, groomed whilst living on British soil. It's our problem. We can't go foisting her on other countries.

I don’t think we do accept that white teens get groomed by Asian gangs. It’s still covered up and glossed over.

I thought she had dual nationality from her mother's side.
TooGoodtobeTrue - I didn't appreciate what you were trying to infer from my question.

@HousesforChickens

I thought she had dual nationality from her mother's side. TooGoodtobeTrue - I didn't appreciate what you were trying to infer from my question.

No. Whilst she was entitled to apply for it, she never claimed it and Bangladesh will not grant it. She is British and only British.

@HousesforChickens

I thought she had dual nationality from her mother's side. TooGoodtobeTrue - I didn't appreciate what you were trying to infer from my question.

You might want to think about what your opinions say about you then and how others might interpret them.

This was always going to happen. When Sajid Javid announced he was revoking her UK citizenship, I was because I knew it was a point scoring piece of populist bullshit. What he did was illegal and will be overturned in the courts.

Begum is British so of course she will be coming home.

I find it hard to muster up much sympathy for SB, as interviews with her she shows no remorse or understanding of why a little humility might be a good idea - but I agree she was only 15, she's far from the only one to have been enticed and groomed by people who knew what they were doing, and above all yes she is our citizen and our problem.
Just trying to de-citizen people because they are guilty of something is just crap and irresponsible and a very slippery slope. Typical British govt attitude and I'm glad they have been pulled up on it.

Of course she did something shocking and was involved in terrorism - lots of people commit shocking crimes, some worse than this IMO. They are still our citizens. And the attitude that , oh look, we can find some technical way to dump her on another, much poorer, uninvolved country made me really angry.

It’s incredibly difficult to monitor her movements and communications in the camp she is held at, let alone if she was released or escaped. The countries involved, particularly the Kurds, have not been given appropriate resources to do this. We either have to be willing to plug the gap on resources until she is dead and bank on them being able to track her successfully, or bring her to the UK and let domestic intelligence services monitor her.

There are a lot of restrictions with regard to monitoring terrorists due to the incorporation of the ECHR in British law. If this is to change, we would be better equipped to do community monitoring. For example, she could be held at her address indefinitely without access to unmonitored devices, a security door for food etc. which is cheaper and safer than lifelong detention which she would likely not receive in court.

Alternatively, it’s important to remember she didn’t just remain in the home. She stitched bombs into people such that they couldn’t run away and were forced to detonate. She actively led attacks against women who weren’t following the strict rules set in the caliphate. Another option, then, is she could face trial in a Kurdish court, and then we no longer have a problem. Her status is such that she is no longer a viable martyr to rally around anyway.

@YellowandGreenToBeSeen

She was a brainwashed child. 15.

I’m glad there’s a shred of morality left (although I absolutely agree she should be questioned and possibly arrested on arrival and monitored / tagged for a very very long time).

I agree. One of the things that I always remember about the three girls is that they stopped off at Boots in the airport and bought hair removal products. As you do when you are off to fight a jihad. They were 15, I think they thought they were going off on an adventure where they would be swept off their feet by handsome young men, probably on white horses in a silken tent in the desert. so off course they needed to look their best. That's how you think when you are 15. Add to that the cynical grooming and brainwashing they had been subjected to. It's a terrible lesson to have learned. Two of them are dead. Begum watched her children die.

I am not saying that she is not a dangerous person, she needs a lot of help, she need close monitoring, but I do think she also deserves some sympathy. At 15 a brain is not mature, we know that, the girls were cynically manipulated by others, the people responsible are still walking around, doing the same to other young vunerable kids minds. They are the ones who need locking up.

So she ran off and joined ISIS? Did she actually commit any atrocities herself? Was she involved in bombings? I'm not sure her punishment warranted her crime but I don't know much about her and her case so fill me in.

Sinn Fein was the political arm of the IRA-did we strip SF politicians of their British citizenship (if they choose to claim it)?

"You might want to think about what your opinions say about you then and how others might interpret them."

I originally asked a question. A question is not an opinion. Nice of you to presume to know what my opinions might or might not be.