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i found this about madeleine

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loopylou6 · 09/08/2007 21:33

Intercepted telephone calls and emails between the McCanns and their friends have "confirmed the death of Madeleine" say police, according to one Portuguese newspaper today. The intercepts are said to have been made in a joint operation conducted by Portuguese and British police officers.
Diario de Noticias reports investigators have already concluded that the missing four-year-old was killed in the apartment where she slept in Praia da Luz.

It says that Maddy's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann (right), and their friends who were holidaying at the Ocean Club, will be brought in for further questioning. Police are awaiting new tests from the McCanns' Renault Scenic.

According to another paper, Jornal de Noticias, police want to examine inconsistencies in the statements of Kate and Gerry McCann, who were interviewed separately late into the night early on in the investigation. In particular, they want to focus on a three-hour period in which only the McCanns saw Madeleine.

Respected news agency Lusa quotes one police source saying that they think "there's light at the end of the tunnel" and that the authorities have "an idea of what could have happened" to the four-year-old.

Police have known "for a month" that Madeleine had died in the apartment, it is widely reported. The tabloid newspaper 24 Horas says that the police are looking for Madeleine's body in the sea, helped by English sniffer dogs. They have intensified searches around the nearby town of Lagos and along the Algarvian coast, it says.

Blood found in the apartment two days ago has arrived in Britain for DNA analysis: a result can be expected inside 48 hours.

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noddyholder · 09/08/2007 22:26

I don't think the sniffer dogs would be trained to look for mosquito blood!

binklehasflipped · 09/08/2007 22:27

indeed, by all means express your opinion - so can everyone else - its the dictatorial tone that I dont get - why post to suggest that everyone everyone else should stop discussing a subject because you dont want to/aren't interested?

You're showing interest just by turning up on the thread after all

Peachy · 09/08/2007 22:27

No

from what ahs been leaked by nameless people despite Police denials

really NOT the same thing at all!

Should genuine evidence come to light from official sources, i will lo0udly condemn the woman. barring that, she ahs my sympathy. Innocent until proven guilty.

binklehasflipped · 09/08/2007 22:29

quattro, could it be the remnants of the body of the moz have been wiped off but the blood (which would be the blood of the person/animal bitten by the mozzy) would remain a stain on the wall

Desiderata · 09/08/2007 22:29

Apparently it's two hours, peachy. British trained sniffer dogs can scent a cadaver providing it's been in situ for just two hours.

The Portuguese police cannot, apparently, afford the training chemicals.

In all this welter of press speculation, I read today that it has been established, by British trained dogs, that a cadaver had been present in the apartment for two hours (or longer).

I've no opinion on that, naturally. In fact, I have rarely posted on any MM thread, but it's sure interesting how accusation and counter-accusation can develop when there's a vacuum in the media.

Peachy · 09/08/2007 22:30

Its aid 4 in the paper, however I fully admit how unreliable they are

that is fully illustrated by the thread after alL!

jojosmaman · 09/08/2007 22:31

Good point madamez, I think the police more often than not know pretty much immediately if the particular member of family are suspects and push them to do press conferences to see how they behave.

wannaBe · 09/08/2007 22:31

one of the sniffer dogs is specifically trained to detect a death. The dog detected that a dead body had been in that room.

But perhaps the media are doing this to drive the Mccanns out of portugal, I would imagine that businesses will have suffered because of all this media attention, and I can understand why the locals might be a bit fed up of it by now.

I do think the family should leave Portugal, as sad as this is, they do have other children to consider.

Pan · 09/08/2007 22:32
binklehasflipped · 09/08/2007 22:32

desi, has that actually been confirmed now? beyond doubt?

debgronow · 09/08/2007 22:33

Flame me if you like.
What ever happened to her is terribly sad BUT her parents and the others in that group between them left 8 children under 4 alone in their appartments EVERY NIGHT of that holiday.

binklehasflipped · 09/08/2007 22:34

I think it would be immensly hard for them to leave Portugal and go back home - I can understand it would be like a knife through the heart walking back into their house without their daughter

Desiderata · 09/08/2007 22:35

Lord, no, binkle. It was a press release that I found on the internet. It doesn't mean it's true.

One paper says a sniffer dog can detect a cadaver that's been stationary for two hours, and another paper says four.

To ditto Peachy, that says it all!

binklehasflipped · 09/08/2007 22:37

oh right, for a minute I thought it had been on news at ten or something

dolally · 09/08/2007 22:37

The Portuguese and British tabloids are as bad as each other and make me feel sick. Of course the Mccanns were not involved, and I bet the "blood" turns out to be another red herring. And as for criticism of the Portuguese police, the British ones took six months to find the body of Milly Dowling and still haven't found her murderer.

.. and while I'm at it.....Some Portuguese friends said to me they thought it was very odd the parents left the kids at home and nipped across to have some dinner popping back every now and then. I know for a fact these same friends(both of whom are in the medical profession by coincidence) have driven their six year old daughter in the back of their car without her seatbelt on. Personally I find their action ten times more negligent than the Mccanns'.

Dear God please end the torment for this poor child's parents.

Desiderata · 09/08/2007 22:37
wannaBe · 09/08/2007 22:38

these are the dogs

Desiderata · 09/08/2007 22:39

Really, dolally! Do you honestly think that?

I'm 42 ... they didn't have a seat-belt law when I was being ferried around! I don't think that's a significant comparison, tbh.

Pan · 09/08/2007 22:42
LittleBella · 09/08/2007 22:46

Oh FGS why do people feel so strongly about what the McCann's "should" do?

They should bloody well do what they feel fit, and no-one else has the slightest right to have an opinion about it. Has your child disppeared? No? Right then, don't think you're qualified to give them advice.

Desiderata · 09/08/2007 22:46

Well that told you!

dolally · 09/08/2007 22:47

yes desi, I do.

You can only be considered negligent if you do something which you or any other person of normal intelligence, in normal circumstances, would not do, or take precautions against. Therefore, (and what's relevant is nowadays not 30 years ago) it is widely accepted that more children's lives are lost when involved in a car accident and not wearing a seatbelt than when they are. Apart from the fact that it is a legal requirement to have your child belted up.

The Mcanns, on the other hand could not have anticipated that someone would abduct/murder their daughter. So providing they had taken other precautions for the most obvious dangers...which they did - popping back etc.etc., abduction of their daughter was not caused by their negligence.

Yes it was a mistake to leave them, but only with hindsight.

On the other hand, not making your child wear a seatbelt is well.....bla bla

binklehasflipped · 09/08/2007 22:49

actually leaving a minor in a situation which may prove hazardous to their health I think is classed as negligent and well, we know the rest but its pointless to quibble over terminology

dolally · 09/08/2007 22:51

well anyway - I keep vowing to myself not to get involved in these Madeleine threads.

Still stand by what I fink though!!!

Desiderata · 09/08/2007 22:52

Well, I disagree entirely, dolally, but not enough to get the boxing gloves out.

I disagree about the comparison, not the point. Of course children should wear seat belts. I am merely saying that in the hugely irrelevant world of my childhood, it was not a requirement. For all I know, it isn't a requirement in Portugal, either.