Terrorists losing British Citizenship

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Why is this news? Stripping terrorists of citizenship?

Surely the day a person decides they are happy to kill or maim their citizens in the name of terrorism they have lost their right to stake a claim to that citizenship?

This isn't a loss of their human rights. They forgo that when they choose to rob others of their human rights surely?

Fuck off and be a citizen of the people you support.

Really saucery?

That's a bit of a cop out imo. I'm a left leaning police officer. Rare maybe 😂. But I dont get why we shouldn't revoke uk citizenship for terrorists where we can.

I'm sure we should just love them all better but sadly I don't trust that to work.

And I HATE the daily mail FYI.

Joy
I think it's slightly different if you travel to live in a terrorist regime abroad and settle there until it becomes a bit uncomfortable/you keep having babies/ you want out.

If we have a legal right to say sorry but tough we should take it .

joyful well to be pedantic, they are saying (and l find their actions abhorrent) that it's 'british' life they wish to protect. Begun and Letts are very vocal and by their actions hate the Western way of life and want to end it all and have us living in a caliphate. If that's what they want, why not give that to them, Begun should have been left to rot in the country she chose to support.

I'm with you OP. My head says that I understand there are legalities which mean we should not leave them stateless but my heart says that I don't care what happens to them and they should reap the consequences of their decisions. I don't want them back here taking advantage of our kindness, tolerance and social systems when they despise us and wish us harm.

Well whatever - it s legal and we've done it.

(Hurrah)

This isn't a loss of their human rights. They forgo that when they choose to rob others of their human rights surely?

No. The whole point of human rights is that they are inalienable and can't be removed from you regardless of how you behave or whether you deserve them. They are an intrinsic part of being human, it doesn't matter what kind of human you are.

I agree though that it's almost impossible to feel any sympathy for people in these circumstances.

All this compassion for them is nice and all but perhaps a little compassion for their victims as well! No, if you sign up to an ideology that directly threatens the UK in every way and detests the UK in every way, why would you want to live in the UK in anyway except to cause harm? As for being vulnerable, his parents should've done far more to protect him if he was that vulnerable. I'm related to a lot of people involved daily in counter terrorism and this no joke, it's mostly luck that more attacks haven't occurred. It amazes me that even after Manchester there is a weird self destructive complacency towards such terrorism, even on MN. I live in an area with many different people, even Muslims say not one person involved in IS should be allowed to return.

Please feel free to be shocked joy!

@vikval has said this much more coherently than l if you sign up to an ideology that directly threatens the UK in every way and detests the UK in every way, why would you want to live in the UK in anyway except to cause harm?

Oh - -and if
You think we'd
Be safer with terrorists "rotting in British prisons " it kind of demonstrates that you actually aren't in possession of any real facts

ideally those British citizens who have collaborated with terrorist regimes or have committed acts of terrorism should be tried in Britain, if that was their primary country of residence. Stripping them of citizenship surely shunts the problem on to another country in which that person may never have set foot.

if I were harmed by the terrorist actions of a British citizen who has spent their life and had been radicalized in Britain I think I should expect Britain to try that person rather than deport them

Strip them all of citizenship as far as I am concerned. People should be stateless if they are willing to commit atrocities- human rights go both ways

I wonder if they would end up radicalising others in UK jails if they come back here. There is no easy answer but I agree with OP to some extent.

Joy
Me neither.?

I'm not sure where I've indicated that?

I don’t think you can legally make someone stateless

Madge

He isn't stateless. He has dual heritage and Canadian nationality as well as uk .

Apologies, my comment was with regard to this one by a previous poster:

Strip them all of citizenship as far as I am concerned. People should be stateless if they are willing to commit atrocities- human rights go both ways

I also do not think that human rights go both ways, and think that there is sufficient provision in law to try people accused of terrorism without having to violate human rights laws or even principles

What would do with him joy? He left the uk. You want him back here?