Terrorists losing British Citizenship

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Why is this news? Stripping terrorists of citizenship?

Surely the day a person decides they are happy to kill or maim their citizens in the name of terrorism they have lost their right to stake a claim to that citizenship?

This isn't a loss of their human rights. They forgo that when they choose to rob others of their human rights surely?

Fuck off and be a citizen of the people you support.

Citizenship may be an entitlement but it comes with the responsibility to be loyal to the country you are a citizen of. If you take up arms against your country of citizenship, then you are a traitor.

It's not an 'entitlement', Angela, it's a fundamental right . He is ENGLISH, he is England's problem. And if one is a traitor then he/she deserves to be repatriated to that nation and tried accordingly for their crimes, why the hell is he Canada's problem? He's ENGLISH.

Now his father, who is a naturalised British citizen, may indeed be stripped of his citizenship after his sentence (I think it's only about 1.5 months in jail he and the English wife/mother got), but that's different because the man is naturalised.

Jack Letts is not

@MoggyP
Exactly. Canada is probably upset that we stripped first.
Btw- most countries do this and it’s a race.

It’s because we allow these scum back into the country that innocent Muslims are assumed to be terrorists and subjected to hate as a result.

After all, you never know if one of them isn’t living next door to you as I don’t imagine they’re identified once they’re set free into the world. Because let’s face it most of them don’t do prison time or if they do it’s a minimal sentence.

Don’t we have an island somewhere we can convert to a prison?

I'm kind of at loss at anyone defending these people.

And cherry
Ive mourned the death of my baby

I've not become a fanatic.

They may be scum but they are our scum and our mess to clear up. They should be tried for as many counts of treason as possible and locked up here even though it will cost a fortune. The main problem is that legally they might have to be let out and they remain dangerous.

I don’t believe Shamima Begum ever had one baby let alone three. But it’s an easy emotional card to play isn’t it? She’s lost three babies which can never be proved even existed, was groomed at the age of consent and way way over the age of criminal responsibility. While one might argue that they should be brought back here to face justice here, what does that justice entail? A slap on the wrist and a couple of months in a prison full of other radicals to compare notes?

I can’t find it in myself to give even the tiniest shit about any of them.

Unlike shamina I didn't chose to go to a third world country to learn how to kill the people I few up alongside so I didn't expect my baby to die .

She maybe made more of a
Choice than I did ?

Compassion for terrorists...?

Only on Mumsnet!!!

@CherryPavlova
Populist perspective? Gosh I hope so, because that means I’m representing the majority,

Nope sorry she brought all that on herself by voluntarily running off to join ISIS. When you are a foot soldier in a war & getting pregnant, yeah you are likely to lose those babies because you’re fighting a war. That was her choice again.

And as for other people...all the dual nationals are getting their citizenship stripped. It’s being impartial and is in compliance with international law. It would be UNjust if we spared SB because she’s a girl. Or UNjust to spare jihadi jack because he was born here.
All dual nationals that joined ISIS should lose their U.K. citizenship, no exceptions.

They have dual nationality. Why should the uk be solely responsible?

I have dual nationality by birth but the reality is that I'm British born and bred. I've never even been to the other country I'm a citizen of. It would be a complete cop out if Britain washed it's hands of me and made me the responsibility of that other country if I did wrong.

It’s because we allow these scum back into the country that innocent Muslims are assumed to be terrorists and subjected to hate as a result.

After all, you never know if one of them isn’t living next door to you as I don’t imagine they’re identified once they’re set free into the world. Because let’s face it most of them don’t do prison time or if they do it’s a minimal sentence.

If that is how your mind works I pity you. Reasonable people do not assume that any Muslim might be a terrorist because some terrorists claim to be acting in the name of Islam. Only those who are both bigoted and lacking in critical thinking skills would assume that.

@NoCauseRebel
Very good points. Letting back actual ISIS members not only exposes innocent british Muslims to hate but also would embolden those who are trying to radicalise them. They can tell Muslims...you are getting hate...might as well be hated for something you have done than be hated for doing nothing...and you can go and be a terrorist,...you can murder many Christians...and when you get caught...you can cry crocodile tears and say you still feel british...and the mugs will forgive you because they are weak....so you go back to U.K. and you tell your brothers and sisters that there is no consequence to becoming a foot soldier for Allah..you will have nothing to lose...no risk.

Shame we can't just make them the responsibility of the regime they chose to serve isn't it .

I don't want them back here.!know how Out criminal justice system works . I wouldn't trust they wouldn't become a danger in future.

I would be happy to see them made to stay with the regime they chose. That could apply to every single one of them, dual or single citizenship. I am not happy to see them shipped off to a country they were not born in, have never been to and which has no responsibility for them.

Jack Letts is JIhadi Jack. He is on camera beheading a journalist Foley. He has done numerous other executions while in ISIS.

I agree. This isn't some susceptible teenager who got in with the wrong crowd, he beheaded an innocent man, a husband, a father! (and others) He knew what he was doing and believed it to be right. For that reason he is a traitor and a security risk to the people of the UK.

I wonder if some of the people sympathising with him on here would say the same of James Bulger's killers. It's the same thing. He should be stripped of his nationality and worse actually but I won't get into that as I'm clearly in the minority here.

Actions have consequences. If everyone in this country knew there was a serious consequence to their actions we wouldn't have people mowing down policemen or stabbing an innocent Home Office employee with a machete...or countless other horrors we've seen in the news recently.

“Why should white supremacist terrorists be treated so completely differently from Islamic terrorists?”

They aren’t being treated differently. Any dual national that commits a serious crime can be stripped of U.K. citizenship. This is happening to all dual national terrorists regardless of the ideology they represent.
The fact the Jo Cox shooter was not stripped of his citizenship is because he is NOT a dual national.

I agree with you. I think a lot of people probably will but are to frightened to speak their thoughts.
One less murderer in the country.

Joy

That's not remotely what i said. I work in the criminal justice system and I don't trust for a
Second they would get incarcerated until they were no danger.

I really give not a fuck if they get stripped of uk citizenship. My bad 🤷🏻‍♀️

@joyfullittlehippo
Not that simple. Usually we strip them of citizenship so they can be tried in their other country and thus face harsher sentences up to and including the death penalty.
It’s better that way because here there are morons who think a free house and some “education” along with “compassion” will cure them.

@joyfullittlehippo
It’s actually following the precedent set by the Nuremberg trials. You know...how we tried Nazi war criminals?
So tell me, why are we treating fascists that massacred Christians different from the fascists that massacred Jews? The fact we nipped them in the bud instead of doing years of appeasement (again) doesn’t mean they were harmless....

Have to go. Dead battery. Lovely chatting with you all.