Terrorists losing British Citizenship

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Why is this news? Stripping terrorists of citizenship?

Surely the day a person decides they are happy to kill or maim their citizens in the name of terrorism they have lost their right to stake a claim to that citizenship?

This isn't a loss of their human rights. They forgo that when they choose to rob others of their human rights surely?

Fuck off and be a citizen of the people you support.

“. I would rather have her bought back and supported through education and compassion in a secure environment to try and rehabilitate.
Love, kindness and education are always going to trump hatred and revenge.”
Shaming HAD all this here for her entire life and she still CHOSE to be a terrorist. You are just plain naive and stupid to think more education and more compassion will “rehabilitate” a terrorist. It won’t. It is weakness.

We need to support our poor terrorists.

It's not about supporting our terrorists. It's about taking responsibility for our citizens. They should be brought back here and subjected to due legal process, not left out in a diplomatic wilderness for some other random country to eventually have to deal with them. I also feel really uneasy about a government minister having the power to revoke citizenship. That feels highly undemocratic to me.

AngelaAshes, she was a groomed and abused child. That needs consideration; we wouldn’t treat one of the Rotherham girls as a criminal if they became involved in drugs and prostitution. We’d show compassion and be horrified at the abusers. That’s not weakness.
That’s an understanding of causality and recognition of the impact of grooming. It wasn’t a choice it was grooming. She spouted immature terrorist words but has never hurt anyone herself.
What’s your background to know so clearly what works?

I would rather have her bought back and supported through education and compassion in a secure environment to try and rehabilitate.
Love, kindness and education are always going to trump hatred and revenge.”
Shaming HAD all this here for her entire life and she still CHOSE to be a terrorist. You are just plain naive and stupid to think more education and more compassion will “rehabilitate” a terrorist. It won’t. It is weakness. Absolutely agree with Angela it's laughable to think that 'love and kindness' will change the thinking of radicals intent on death and destruction.

cherry are you comparing 'prostitution and drugs' to torture, suicide vests and killing??

I suppose you can't compare girls who are groomed into prostitution.
They aren't out to kill people .

Radical terrorists want to kill in the name of their beliefs.
I suppose that's the difference for me .

“It's about taking responsibility for our citizens. They should be brought back here and subjected to due legal process, not left out in a diplomatic wilderness for some other random country to eventually have to deal with them”

I think the responsible thing to do IS to strip their citizenship. They are too dangerous to be let back into the country. It is actually MORE humane to strip citizenship than bring them back for life imprisonment. It is essentially a sentence of exile...as in go anywhere in the world that will take you with the citizenship(s) you have left and don’t come back. They are free to live, work, have families build a normal life outside the U.K. Bringing them back means life behind bars. How is that more humane?

I agree with you OP, if you choose to be a terrorist or align yourself with them, then yes lose your citizenship. Sadly this only works for those with dual citizenship. The argument about them being 'groomed' or'vulnerable' surely means that they would all claim to be so...

I have been bitten by being kind and trying to understand a persons motive.

I think it's a very nieve stance to think love and compassion can fix someone's ideology if they truly believe they are killing in the name of their cause.

Letts, Begum, Lewthwaite, Emwazi et al have made their choice. They are terrorists who would blow up you and your children without a second thought, given the opportunity. They, and Daesh the organisation to which they are loyal are enemies of the United Kingdom and should be treated as such.

TitianaTitsling, no, I’m comparing grooming with grooming.Child abuse with child abuse.

I don’t want them back here, I don’t see how legally we can strip some1 with nowhere else to go? I do feel bad for the ppl we are dumping them on too, would be easier if they were dead

@CherryPavlova
How DARE you compare Shemina Begun to Rotherham victims!
She was not a groomed and abused child. She was not a prostitute or sex slave like the Yazidi women. Shemina was an active member of ISIS. She put suicide vests on bombers. She was part of planning and executing attacks. She was essentially a prison guard of Yazidi captives. She is the same as the female Nazi concentration camp guards...active contributer to atrocities.
She gets zero allowance from me because of her gender.
My background? Ex-Forces. I was where the rubber hit the ground. The women were not all these little housewives like you think they were.

Jack Letts is JIhadi Jack. He is on camera beheading a journalist Foley. He has done numerous other executions while in ISIS.

No. That is "Jihadi John", Mohammed Emwazi, who was killed by an American drone.

Those who would defend jihadi jack....would
You be happy for him to be here? Are your children old enough to want to go to concerts?
I'm thinking of my colleagues who attended the Manchester arena bombing. I suspect those hand wringing here have no direct experience of what terrorists do or the consequences of their actions. ?
Having a junior die in the company isn't the same as speaking to people who went to those massive terrorist atrocities.

I'm an emergency service worker and have spoken to colleagues who attended the Manchester bombing. I can't imagine. ☹️. I don't want anyone here who could do that in the name of their belief. Sorry .

AngelasAshes, I dare because I understand full well the PREVENT and the anti radicalism strategies sit, quite rightly, with child protection teams. She was a child. She is a teenager whose lost three babies.
Gender has nothing to do with it.
She was a groomed child. Do you not think child marriage is abuse?

Nobody is suggesting a free flat and a cup of cocoa. Education and de radicalisation in a secure unit is likely to be more effective - just as restorative justice is more effective than prison for young offenders.

Shemina Begun still believes in ISIS' goals, and has zero remorse for anything they've done. She may have been indoctrinated online, but she is still indoctrinated.

Ah poor shamina....losing 3 babies. Maybe if she hadn't gone she wouldn't have ? ????!!

I'm trained in PREVENT also .

Still.

When we know how to carry out deradicalisation effectively, then that will indeed be the way ahead.

Are we really that competent at it?

And yes, terrorist recruiters target the vulnerable and the process is akin to grooming. But by 15, is it really plausible that someone did not know what they were doing?

Vulnerable my arse. They may have been teenagers when they entered into IS but they are adults now and show no remorse for their actions.

John Venibles and Robert Thompson were children when they murdered James Bulger, but People still feel that they should be held accountable for crimes they commit while adults. In fact there are plenty who think they should never have been released in the first place, and they were just ten.

Given a child can have sex and get married at the age of sixteen, I fail to see how they are not responsible for joining IS in order to slaughter people.

And there is afaik a huge amount of doubt over whether Begum ever had any children. It was certainly a coincidence that the baby died as soon as she was discovered. Nope, don’t believe there actually was a baby. She is a vile bitch who deserves to wrot in hell, and the other one is the same. Gender here makes no difference what so ever.

I think states are responsible for their citizens. If they cannot be tried and sentenced where they are, then you bring home and try them and punish them at home.

If that means several life sentences then so be it.

"Do you not think child marriage is abuse?"

She was 15. Over the age of consent in such backward countries as France and Sweden