Terrorists losing British Citizenship

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Why is this news? Stripping terrorists of citizenship?

Surely the day a person decides they are happy to kill or maim their citizens in the name of terrorism they have lost their right to stake a claim to that citizenship?

This isn't a loss of their human rights. They forgo that when they choose to rob others of their human rights surely?

Fuck off and be a citizen of the people you support.

It’s not a particularly consistent policy. Why not strip all serious criminals of their citizenship and dump them somewhere?

Not Australia again, somewhere else.

Cherry, prevent? Bit bloody late for Begun and Jack. I have absolutely no sympathy for them. So we have to be held to ransom and it's our fault that they decide to go abroad and commit atrocities? Do you have the same sympathy for the equally aborrant extreme Right like combat-18 or similar? Where's the support for them?

I would rather have her bought back and supported through education and compassion in a secure environment to try and rehabilitate.
Love, kindness and education are always going to trump hatred and revenge.”

Those supporting him/her would then be outraged if he/she was allowed back in and caused death on British soil especially if they were friends or family.

They hate and want to blow the west back to the dark ages. He had a great life but chose to go over to a cult that wants to destroy it. There's no way he will come back as if nothing happened. He was brainwashed into hatred of Britain and that will never leave him.

What makes me laugh if they were brought back and DID go on to commit further atrocities who would be blamed?

Oh yes . The police!. The government. !
Absolutely bonkers.

"Why not strip all serious criminals of their citizenship and dump them somewhere?"

Serious criminals can have citizenship removed and be deported at end of sentence. Provided that they are dual nationals or entities (by birth or descent) to another nationality.

A quick google will bring up numerous cases.

@CherryPavlova
You understand nothing. You have never even been outside your bubble of safety and security. You have zero idea how these people think. They don’t become terrorists due to a lack of education. Your attempts to “educate” them will be viewed as propaganda and brainwashing.

Stripping citizenship IS a form of restorative justice. Restorative justice includes giving back to the community you have wronged and this can be by actions or compensation. One such action or compensation includes leaving the community you have wronged. She can give back by never living here again. She has the rest of the planet to choose from to live a better life on.

I think it's wrong to strip them of their citizenship. Yes they are terrible people, but they're our terrible people and it's a complete cop out to make another country responsible for our fuck ups.

Imnottourgranny

They have dual nationality. Why should the uk be solely responsible?

Absolute right decision.

I won’t be losing any sleep over him.

It's about taking responsibility for our citizens. They should be brought back here and subjected to due legal process, not left out in a diplomatic wilderness for some other random country to eventually have to deal with them. I also feel really uneasy about a government minister having the power to revoke citizenship. That feels highly undemocratic to me.

Especially because Letts was born here and not naturalised. He is fully entitled to his nationality and is only allowed to have Canadian nationality by descent as his father is Canadian. Good ol' Britain expecting other countries to deal with their fucking problems or foisting their issues on other countries (Windrush deportations, anyone?) like the load of arrogant gits they're showing the world they are.

@Winterlife
Thanks for the correction, I did indeed mix up jihadi John with jihadi jack.

Why should the uk be solely responsible?

Because he is British! He was born in Britain to a British mother! He only has dual nationality because Canada allows it. He is not naturalised.

I'm very glad to see some people also see my POV.

I was starting to think I was alone .

I truly don't see why we should be responsible for these dregs of humanity. They would kill you , your children and everything you stand for.
Yet we continue to arm stroke and make excuse after excuse for them.

Sod that .

With you all the way OP, fuck 'em.

Legally Canada could probably more easily strip him of Canadian nationality because they didn't have to extend it to him at all, his father is the one born in Canada and Jack was under no requirement to take up Canadian nationality at all. Jack is English, he was born in England to an English mother who happened to be married to a Canadian man.

“He is fully entitled to his nationality ”

Citizenship may be an entitlement but it comes with the responsibility to be loyal to the country you are a citizen of. If you take up arms against your country of citizenship, then you are a traitor. You have committed high treason and as such deserve to lose all your rights to citizenship. They should be thanking their lucky stars that we no longer have the death penalty for treason.

For those who want to support and understand them... would you want them living next door to you?

But radical but I wish we could just renounce them to the country they chose to serve . I agree
That to foist them on other
Civilised countries is a shame for those countries . But if they have a dual nationality....?

I truly don't see why we should be responsible for these dregs of humanity.

Because he is ENGLISH. That 'dreg of humanity' is nothing to do with Canada excepting a father who happened to get the nationality for him. But he is an English man, born in England to an English mother. Why the fuck should he be Canada's responsibility?

To those talking about Canadian and U.K. dual nationality- with a british mother and Canadian father the child is born a dual National as allowed by the laws of both the U.K. and Canada. The legal process to strip either one is the same because he was born a citizen of both countries. He’s not naturalised Canadian, he is born as Canadian as he is born British.

Where does he live ? Shame we can't just say "all
Yours" isn't it then.

"The legal process to strip either one is the same because he was born a citizen of both"

So the act of rescinding probably rests with whichever gets in there first

AngelasAshes, you spout a populist perspective and make massive assumptions. How on earth do you know what I’ve done? Instead of logical and factually accurate debate you reduce yourself to hurling ill informed insults.

I acknowledge the reality that, as a fifteen year old girl, she was groomed and brainwashed into following a particular ideology. There are many other people who fall into the same category who still hold their British nationality and are under no risk of losing it. If the law is truly blind and impartial, why is one being stripped so publicly of her citizenship whilst others are not?

One third of SB’s entire life was dominated by this ideology, beginning at a very impressionable age. Her life became violent, extremist. She became a mother three times, and mourned the death of her children three times. She is not even twenty years old. Is it so hard to see how she may be physically unable to show any kind of emotion at all? When our mind and body undergoes significant trauma, emotionally they can shut down.

Legally we’ve probably breached the UDHR in removing her citizenship.