Another Novichok Poisoning?

[TokyoSushi]

Just breaking news now, how awful, I wonder how on Earth it's happening?

Perhaps they came into contact with it recently?

Shall we all gather on www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/3296465-salisbury-two-in-critical-condition this thread? There are now three live threads and if we can consolidate on to one it's an awful lot easier (though fascinating to watch how different threads diverge...)

Perhaps they came into contact with it recently?

So there's a new (possibly still unknown) contaminated site that people have come into contact with recently (within last hours/day or so).

That's pretty unsettling, because if there were one unknown site how many more unknowns could there be?

I am not a conspiracy theorist but I do think a story will be created by officials to explain this second poisoning.

I’m not usually a conspiracy theorist but it is very close to Porton Down.

That’s exactly why I don’t think the statement from the police is as reassuring as they meant it to be, meditrina. The fact that there’s no evidence of them being in the same area as the previously decontaminated areas doesn’t mean much when there so many unknowns about the person who carried out the original poisoning and any areas that might be associated with them.

Would leftover Novichok from early March now have the same potency after all this time. We had the "Beast from the East" in early March and then MORE snow on St Patricks Day weekend.

and i know it doesnt feel like it now but there has been rain as well.

coming across an applicator after all this time doesnt sound feasible.

HelenaDove - yes, nerve agents can be stable and persist for a long time, even if exposed to the elements.

(PS: sticking with this thread, as it is the longer/more active one)

I've just seen this on the news - it seems like a very major police operation is now underway.

Public are being told it's low risk, but being advised to wash clothing and wipe surfaces.

They also said that although it's a Novichok, they have yet to establish if it is same batch as poisoned the Skripals

I suppose that's the key now, is it the same batch? If it is then there will be some sort of explanation but I suppose the big question is, what if it's not?

Do you think there's any possible way it's coming from Porton Down?

They probably have stumbled upon where the Novichok was disposed of, I seriously doubt that even Russia would be stupid enough to target two British Nationals so they could scream 'FAKE NEWS' but nonetheless it is extremely worrying.

Security minister being grilled on BBC Breakfast right now.

There's an expert on BBC Breakfast right now, who is not the most convincing speaker

the BBC report suggested that there are previously unknown contaminated sites, and that this couple might have stumbled onto one. It said the couple had visited Salisbury, but they didn't say when (or if they did, I missed that bit - anyone seen/heard a report which does include timeline?)

ok, I'll stick with this thread too.

It is very confusing.

I keep typing and then deleting my thoughts as my mind wanders into pure speculation. I guess the working hypothesis at the moment is that somehow they came into contact with contaminants from 4 months ago.

Part of me still boggles though at noticing that the Vote Leave campaign being thought to have acted illegally seems to be nowhere in headlines. I do wonder where it would have been on the news hierarchy had this not happened.

I find the lack of clarity here very confusing and I think deliberate obfuscation is going on. For example, on radio 4 they pointed out that differing views had been given on that one programme about whether it had to be ingested to be effective. For me, the question is really how much of poison must one encounter to fall ill, and in what form. Because, say the container of the poison has been discovered and made them ill - how had it been not discovered for so long? Why had other people not found it and become ill? Can you get slightly ill so it would be put down to something else?

So many things don’t make sense.

Poor Salisbury. They were just beginning to recover from the effects of the last incident, and now their trade will again be decimated.

But this whole thing seems so... odd. Was it a coincidence that the two latest victims were intravenous drug users?

(Probably going to get flamed but why does a heroin addict get a nice new-build social housing flat?)

Thanks for sending us over to this thread OhYouBadBadKitten

I am very confused, yes, TheFifthKey the world at one on R4 yesterday almost seemed to be making fun of the whole incident, and then everything changed. The chronology is odd.

irma I wondered this too.... woman had been evicted previously from another property

Where's her young daughter?

Do we know they were heroin addicts Irma ? I thought that was just the initial conclusion of cause of their illness?

Moving over from the other thread as badkitten suggested

It seems now like they might have picked something up with the poison on, that's a long shelf life! Goodness knows what else it could therefore be on...

noticing that the Vote Leave campaign being thought to have acted illegally seems to be nowhere in headlines I notice that too OYBK
Leave UK cheated. Vote Leave" won by a margin of 3.8%, but they spent 10% more than the legal limit.