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I'm wondering whether MN has a bit of a knee-jerk policy on deletions on these threads. I reported my own post because I was asking for one ill-considered word to be removed, and rather than do that they just deleted the entire post within a very short space of time.

SilverySurfer wrote
^Thinking about the army and their reactions makes me wonder where it all came from. I've never known anything like it and I can't help wondering if it goes back to the death of Princess Diana.

Before then behaviour like this would have been inconceivable. The completely OTT hysterical outpourings of grief for Diana appeared to open the floodgates and some people now seem to think unless they are overtly showing extreme grief and sympathy that it's not enough. They are prepared to break the law and incite hatred and violence to prove how sad they are over the death of a child none of them knew.^

Maybe, but I see lots of similarities to revengeful mob after James Bulger's death.
And those remarks by AA about caring only for Alfie fit into this. Seems more tribal than collective grieving hysteria, misguided championing of one of their own fighting the class war.

I’ve mentioned this before, but Spoilt Rotten: The Toxic Cult of Sentimentality is a really interesting read on the topic.

www.theguardian.com/books/2010/aug/30/digested-read-spoilt-rotten-dalrymple
Nice

Yeah he's right though isn't he Derxa

Dignity4life are collecting stories about eol care and nhs hospitals.

There is one excellent story about how “awful and amazing” picu is. The painful procedures, invasive tests, drugs, sedation. That watching your child subjected to all this when it is clearly hurting them is horrendous.

I suppose that’s where the dichotomy with CH and AE is. With no way of demonstrating pain, they appear peaceful, a sleeping child just waiting to wake up. It is easier to throw futile treatment after treatment at an unresponsive child, than one who can react and show fear and pain.

There’s another one of a baby born brain damaged at birth. Her mum describes her anger at the medics that they couldn’t help, her belief that given longer a miracle might happen. Then she talks about gathering herself to “fight” to keep her child alive, and her realisation that it would be for her not the child, and her decision to withdraw treatment.

She also says that prior to this she believed that medical staff had answers. That they always reached a diagnosis, they always knew why, and could always come up with a plan for treatment. The realisation that sometimes there just were no answers or reasons, and no treatment, cure or fix, was an entirely new concept for her.

It horrifies me but I agree with every word of that article.

According to the Liverpool echo TE was at an awards ceremony accepting a 'special award' I know everyone grieves in different ways. But surely that is a bit odd.

I don't think so. I can't believe some of the things I was able to do in the aftermath of my daughters death. The weekend before my daughters funeral I was at a family wedding all laughs and smiles. There is no right way and I think it's wrong to judge him for this.

This may sound callous but I really don't understand the level of mourning some people are going to.

Family, yes I completely understand. But people on the internet who have never met the poor child have completely jumped on the bandwagon and grieving as if it's happened to them.
It happens with some many things. Celebrities, royalties. It seems like no family member of things like this can ever grieve in peace without people jumping on the grieve train

But, but my 2nd point still remains- that ‘review’ is SATIRICAL. I know.

I think the grieving is just a form of attention seeking, there were people posting pictures of merchandise they had bought with Alfie's name on and somebody else was desperate to get one; why not just donate? I suspect it was so they could wave their 'Alfie' keyring around in public and let everyone know that they were supporting them.

While they might be moved by the Evans' plight, there is no way that they will be feeling the loss like the parents will be, and yet the tears and mournng are still expressed, I think as a way to show how caring they are, look at me grieving, kind of way. I can only think that they haven't experienced a real tradgedy themselves to be so affected and I do think that there is an element of 'I am grieving harder than you' going on.

oops tragedy not tradgedy!!

Oh did I misread that article? Must remember not to read things when I've barely opened my eyes first thing in the morning.

Have CG's parents' announced something this morning? Just got home to see them being discussed on Victoria and people praising them?

The only thing I can find is them saying that they were trolled online after Charlie's death, which is terrible, but the danger you are vulnerable to when you've used the media, it can turn both ways unfortunately.

Once it's unleashed it is impossible to control. How awful.

charlie’s parents have had to step back into the media glare. People want #Alfie’s Law now. They have had to step up their campaign for #Charlie’s Law.

Although I saw one post where it was clear the poster had no idea they were the same thing. If they think they are two separate laws they clearly don’t understand what they are campaigning for.

Someone on another forum has pointed out that while Tom Evans is receiving an accolade from Everton FC, the staff at AH are continuing to work helping sick children, while knowing that they are objects of hatred. :(