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StayingAtTamaras · 26/04/2018 23:25

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DeadButDelicious · 30/04/2018 09:32

But I don't understand why you're talking about it at all.

It isn't necessary for you to understand. You don't get the final say in what people discuss. Stop trying to police the conversation.

fragrancedirect · 30/04/2018 09:32

DeadButDelicious and Fenneltea thinking of you both Flowers.

Ellie56 · 30/04/2018 09:33

I asked one if Jesus carried around a defribrillator. I'm waiting for her response....

Grin well done numpty

Sozzler · 30/04/2018 09:34

I agree Derxa. What his parents must have gone through in those final minutes is absolutely heartbreaking. I imagine Alfie would have been unaware of it all, but how traumatic for his parents. I shed a few tears reading about it.
To all those discussing the money, I'm pretty sure this isn't high on the family's list of priorities right now, but I'm sure when the time is right the public will be told what will be done with it.
Perhaps no one is bickering, but people are definitely speculating about this little boys funeral and the money raised for him which I find pretty disgusting and disrespectful considering it has only been a couple of days since he passed away.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/04/2018 09:35

You've rehashed a post I put up which was rightly deleted

Was it? I believe that the entire thread was later deleted, but certainly your cruel post remained "live" for far too long

No doubt you'll now report my last remark for including something previously deleted ... though whether this would be to respect talk guidelines or to cover your own embarrassment isn't for me to say

DeadButDelicious · 30/04/2018 09:37

Thank you fragrance Thanks

GnotherGnu · 30/04/2018 09:37

Report on a case Paul Diamond brought here. In summary, what started as an essentially trivial matter went full-on batshit when Diamond started slinging around accusations that the Bar Council was plotting against him because of his Christian beliefs and he ended up suing as many people as he could. Unsurprisingly, his claim was struck out. It must have been quite expensive for him as he was presumably ordered to pay everyone else's costs.

derxa · 30/04/2018 09:37

Sozzler You said it better than me. Hopefully we never hear a thing about the funeral as with Charlie Gard. However if the parents want a massive public funeral then so be it.

derxa · 30/04/2018 09:38

No doubt you'll now report my last remark for including something previously deleted No I won't.

Soubriquet · 30/04/2018 09:40

I do hope they have a private funeral to grieve properly but I don't think it will happen.

Selflovescam · 30/04/2018 09:43

It's a real shame that sites like just giving don't go out of their way to make it crystal clear that once you've donated money to someone, whatever their stated aim, they can do anything they want with it.

Case in point: there's a well known blogger called selfloveclubb who has mental health issues: a year ago she set up a page for donations for 'therapy', that she hadn't actually looked into or costed yet. Asked for £2k then increased the target to £3k. She got the money, and then it was never spoken of again. Followers ask where it went and if she sought help and the questions are just deleted on instagram. A year later she still posts there's no help out there despite having been given £3k to go and seek it.

Then she 'got cancer', stage four cervical. Which mysteriously went away after two months of 'treatment'. She shaved her head to look more realistic but then magically, once she'd fundraised several more thousands for 'cancer charities', she 'got better' and the cancer was never addressed nor spoken of again. All comments regarding it deleted. No evidence where that money went.

It's appalling that someone can set up an instagram account and fleece followers of thousands of pounds and there's absolutely nothing anyone can do about it. You could say the people who've donated should have known but people mean well and often take things at face value.

I'm a regular poster btw just name changed for this as she is still active and no doubt setting up the next scam.

There's a real wider issue here isn't there about people asking for funds and donors not knowing their lack of rights once it's out of their hands, obviously in the AE case his parents were raising funds for what they believed was treatment, but people asking for refunds obviously were clueless that you're just handing money over then it is done and you can't do a thing about it.

derxa · 30/04/2018 09:46

Yes selflovescam I read about that. It was truly disgusting.

SomeDyke · 30/04/2018 09:47

As I recall, someone explained on an earlier thread that parents often try rescue breaths/ressus for their dying child. I got the impression this was hence quite common, and no one was going to try and prevent this very natural reaction. Unlikely to be effective, or prolong or cause any suffering I would think. And would give parents what seems to be most valuable, the feeling that they did everything possible.

dontbesillyhenry · 30/04/2018 09:51

Derxa do you never tire of looking down your nose at people discussing something that's been PUT in the public eye and trying to police posters making out you are soooooo much better than them? You don't like the tone of these threads you repeatedly said yet still continue reading and posting letting everyone know how outraged you are by it all

derxa · 30/04/2018 09:54

dontbesilly This forum is open for all who want to post within talk guidelines.

fenneltea · 30/04/2018 10:00

Derxa, I do see where you're coming from with this, but the family are apparently requesting donations so the public are already involved. I can see that it is seen as distasteful, and would never have put my child through the glare of publicity like that, but it is the family that have publicised everything and that has far reaching effects, this isn't just about poor Alfie and the family's loss, it has caused challenges to our whole concept of child protection and parents rights, plus the question of what happens to funding when it can't be used for the intended purpose, there are going to be some angry people about unfortunately I think, which can only add to the disruption surrounding all this. I can only hope that it helps to highlight to people that if they aren't 100% certain that they would be happy with putting money into people's pockets regardless, then they are better donating to a regulated charity that covers their cause.

I'd be worried if we couldn't discuss the issues that have been raised to be honest.

fenneltea · 30/04/2018 10:10

Thankyou for the flowers fragrance, it is deadbutdelicious and all those who have lost children or are dealing with a disbled or severely ill child that deserve them, thankfully we had a happy ending and my daughter is now a beautiful 29 year old woman, but it did give me a small insight into what losing a child can be like, and a few of the friends we made in hospital sadly weren't so lucky.

derxa · 30/04/2018 10:12

fenneltea Yes I understand. Thanks for explaining so clearly.

fenneltea · 30/04/2018 10:17

Thanks derxa I appreciate that, especially when this is something that you feel shouldn't be discussed for obvious reasons Flowers

MarvelleGazelle · 30/04/2018 10:23

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derxa · 30/04/2018 10:25

It's not that I don't want to discuss things. Alfie Evans' family have made choices which I and others possibly wouldn't have made. However they were done out of grief and heartbreak. People say 'Rest In Peace' for a reason. Flowers to all those have lost a child.

MarvelleGazelle · 30/04/2018 10:26

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Samcro · 30/04/2018 10:31

did anyone on here donate money?

GnotherGnu · 30/04/2018 10:32

Sensible article here

MarvelleGazelle · 30/04/2018 10:33

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