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Alfie Evans 6

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CamomileTeaShotofVodka · 26/04/2018 01:49

Following on from the last thread. If there's one already please do delete this one.

Remember not to speculate or make negative comments about the family or discussions will be stopped.

Thoughts are with Alfie tonight Star

Such an important and sensitive topic.

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CodLiverOil556 · 26/04/2018 07:33

Someone needs to step in and say 'enough is enough now' AE needs to slip away as he's apparently been trying to do. I'd hate to think that might happen when his dad is giving yet another statement to the press. Really sad situation all round

MayhemandMadness01 · 26/04/2018 07:35

Just so sad for everyone concerned. Discussions do need to be had around SM, protests around hospitals etc.

Lougle · 26/04/2018 07:36

I think, perhaps, what hasn't been conveyed effectively, is how much we wish it wasn't true. All the advances in medicine, and we still can't fix people the way they expect. It really is a shock when they are told that this is it, the bag of tricks is empty, the medics have used all their cards, they've done everything they can, and that CO2 is still climbing, the lactate will not come down, the ventilator just won't synch, the patient is gas trapping, their brain is still deteriorating, they are not waking, despite being off sedatives for x days, the filter isn't working, etc. The medics and the nurses feel despair, too. When they come to the end of the road, they don't do it lightly. They will already have sought their second, third and fourth opinions. They will have been considering all their options for treatment. But, when they realise that there is no further treatment that will allow their patient to recover, then it becomes unethical to subject them to cruel treatment. And intensive care is cruel treatment, make no mistake. It is cruel treatment that is justified if the outcome is survival with a reasonable quality of life, but cruel nonetheless. There is a reason that ICUs have started employing psychologists to treat their patients. Many patients suffer with PTSD following ICU treatment, and a 'long stay' in ICU is considered to be >5 days.

DoryNow · 26/04/2018 07:39

Well said Lougle

AsAProfessionalFekko · 26/04/2018 07:39

When mum and dad died I just felt 'it's not fair' - and it wasn't. When dad's cousin and his wife died on their way back from their honeymoon, that really wasn't fair. (just a couple of examples).

Sadly life isn't fair. It's not a Hollywood film where everyone is saved at the last minute.

No matter how much you want something to be true/false, life happens.

Aridane · 26/04/2018 07:39

Is it true the parents have resuscitated Alfie? How are they doing it? Are they allowed to administer treatment and do the medical staff just let them proceed?

NewDOOFUSfor18 · 26/04/2018 07:40

TE on GMB...

TamiTayorismyparentingguru · 26/04/2018 07:41

dayinlifeof - that’s certainly how I try and live my faith. It’s hard - really, really hard at times - but yes, I do believe that living a life which is faithful to the God I worship is to not be passive in any way, I believe we are to full and active participants in our lives, but that we push doors and trust God as to whether or not He chooses to open them for us.

In this case, my faith would say that removing the ventilation, at a time when it was court ordered and therefore the choice was removed from the parents, (or even earlier at a time when all the HCPs were saying it was the right thing), was the ultimate act of faith. If God was going to perform a miracle and regenerate Alfie’s brain (and at the risk of being totally vilified and mocked for saying so - I do believe that God is big enough to do this if He should so wish), then He is not constrained by timelines or geography - He could do it right now in AH - He doesn’t need the intervention of the Pope, He doesn’t need more time, He doesn’t need repeated resuscitation - God’s big enough to do it on His own.

If, of course, He chooses not to, then to live a life of faith is to accept that - even when it makes no sense and we can never understand it and when we are overwhelmed with grief and anger. (And yes - it’s ok to be angry with God.)

I do understand that this makes no sense to those who do not share my faith, but this is how I see things.

It IS hard, and my heart goes out to the parents and wider family circles - this trauma is no small thing and will live with them forever.

Like I said, I am more angry with the Christian legal group who are pushing this agenda because this IS NOT God-honouring, nor faithful witness.

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Sonotcivil · 26/04/2018 07:45

Quite emotional interview on gmb.

NewDOOFUSfor18 · 26/04/2018 07:45

"He's been off the ventilator for 3 days and there's been absolutely no problems with him"......other than needing mouth to mouth, crying out for a defib, calling for cpap....no, no problems. It's really sad listening to him, he absolutely believes there's been a misdiagnosis and there is nothing wrong with him Sad

GherkinSnatch · 26/04/2018 07:45

There’s been no mention of Alfie during Mass at my church, or at the DC’s school. The Catholic Church absolutely does not have a life at all costs policy wrt life support - I posted the catechism on the previous thread and an article explaining why.

MorningCuppa · 26/04/2018 07:46

They stated they had done mouth to mouth in those first 6 hours when he was first taken off the ventilator, when Alfie had no oxygen, after 6 hours AH gave him oxygen, as Tom had a meeting with a doctor for 40 minutes and requested Alfie be allowed oxygen.

africanprincessinscotland · 26/04/2018 07:48

Is TE still calling for him to be put back on a ventilator despite believing his son will recover?
The stuff on the AA page is terrifying. There is so much distance between what people are choosing to believe, and the truth.

NewDOOFUSfor18 · 26/04/2018 07:49

gherkin my ds goes to a Catholic school (he and DP are Catholic, I am not) and I asked if it had been mentioned in assembly and he said not. They have collective worship tomorrow and I'm going (only because ds has got some kind of award) so will be interesting to see if anything is said.

africanprincessinscotland · 26/04/2018 07:49

And of course AH have no public right to reply to counter the utter nonsense that is being spouted.

Minniemagoo · 26/04/2018 07:50

Tamitaylor I just wanted to say that you wonderfully expressed what I feel.
This is a very sad situation and faith , medical facts and legal facts are all being corrupted.
I do feel utmost sympathy for his parents, life can be tragic.

JediStoleMyBike · 26/04/2018 07:53

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/951353/Alfie-Evans-update-dying-doctor-Alder-Hey-Hospital-prison-health-latest-news

Oh dear. A polish doctor now weighing in to say that Alfie is in fact not dying after all 🙄 Why do they give these people the time of day?

ThatEscalatedQuickly · 26/04/2018 07:54

They stated on Facebook yesterday that they've resuscitated him three times after his O2 sats dipped dramatically (perhaps they have done so a few more times at this stage) and at least one of those times was yesterday after he'd already been given oxygen and fluids by the hospital. It wasn't just in the initial 6 hours.

I'm not sure why the hospital aren't intervening but I can only imagine they fear the result of trying to stop the parents.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 26/04/2018 07:56

How can a 'real' doctor who hasn't actually met or examined a patient make such a statement?

Ellie56 · 26/04/2018 07:58

I'm not sure why the hospital aren't intervening but I can only imagine they fear the result of trying to stop the parents.

Yes I wondered why the hospital weren't stepping in over this too. Maybe mouth to mouth will only work for so long?

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picklemepopcorn · 26/04/2018 08:03

The case of the little boy taken to Italy for proton therapy, when police issued a kidnap alert, has unfortunately had this ramification. It was wonderful for him, but has raised irrational hopes in other families.

I am angry at the media who are feeding this circus, and indirectly prolonging the suffering of this poor child.

user1457017537 · 26/04/2018 08:03

This situation is cruel and heartless

Toomanycats99 · 26/04/2018 08:06

Just heard some of the father being interviewed on LBC. He says the doctors all hate him, they are lying in court to cover something up and that if he goes to Italy he believes he can 'wake up'

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