MADELEINE news updates - a new positive thread

[littlemissbossy]

For those of you who are interested - and don't want any arguing - the news update according to Sky

• police are now looking for a man seen in a white van
• they have an e-fit of him
• also want to interview an american who lives locally who owns a white van and hasn't been seen for the last few days
• reward of £1.5M has been offered by the News of the World

agree, wolfgirl. Just want Madeleine safe and home again.

I think people should stop telling people not to post about this. Fgs, it is a major news story. If people want to post about it -if it helps, then why the hell shouldn't they?

I am actually starting to get really fed up with people assumptions that Madeleine will not be found. She will be found. That is what we need to keep thinking. If the family can stay positive - then we must too.

And we must continue talking about her and keeping her name and picture up there in the headlines, as they are doing.

"If the family can stay positive - then we must too."

Empathy with strangers we read about in the news is one thing, but this is something else.

I agree Wannabe, however I can also see that there is a need to 'talk-it-out' / discuss / analyse. I have NO problem with that whatsoever. Its just the bickering and snapping and nasty remarks that I have seen (and encountered) that Im asking people not to do.

News is slow. But people want to talk. I'll leave it to you guys to create a new Madeleine - discussion thread LOL. No doubt I will join in, as Im interested to hear what people think, have observed, picked up etc.

xx

I posted the reports that R Murat visited child porn sites and am now feeking really guilty about it. It is not official information but it was reported in more than one paper / website so I thought I'd tell you about it. It may be only speculation but it may also be true. As I said on here before, because of the judicial secrecy the media tend to have inside information from the police, they know people there who allow for leaks of information, so it's not unusual for the press to speculate 'rightly'.
Anyway, will not post speculating news reports again, will stick to the official ones.

Or maybe just one more.... a paper claiming inside information say police believe Madeleine is alive. Let's hope it's true!

Qm in one sentence you say that if people want to post then they are entitled to do so and in the next you say that people should stop posting negative things. So you are telling people to stop doing the thing you say you have the right to do.

If people want discussion about this topic that?s fine. No-one is saying there shouldn?t be a discussion, but if people want to discuss this then they need to be open to the fact that not all discussion will be positive. There are people who do not believe that this will have a positive outcome, and there are people who believe that it will. Each is entitled to their opinion, no-one has more entitlement to voice that opinion than anyone else.

but Tuga.... how can they say that? How can they 'leak' a bit of news like that, but then tell us no more. If it makes us frustrated like this, what the heck is it doing to her family!!!??

What do they know, and if they know such things, why dont they go and get the poor child! darn it (those people).

OOh - had something else to say then, but forgot in the same nano second - darn this brain!!

I'm not sure I understan what you mean Wolf... I guess reporters have friends in the police who tell them a little bit but no more, because they're not allowed. This is me speculating obviously, I don't know exactly how it works, but this is how I hear people (portuguese) say it works. Apparently they also commonly use these leaks to feed the media wrong information and deviate attention from what they're focussing on. Again, don't really know if it's tru or not or how often it is done.

sorry Tug, it sounded like I was having a go at you. I wasnt. Yes, they could be doing a number of things, and it would make sense to throw out a few red-herrings to mask their real progress and to stop the abductors thinking that they wer on their trail. Cunning! Its just that the 'snippets' of news just doesnt cut the mustard. We want real news. Its all so darn slow. It would be great if they said something like: we are exploring all these alternative avenues. That way at least we would be certain that really 'no-stone' is being left unturned.

Ladies, should we start a new thread - a discussion thread, and that way we will all feel 'safe' to chat and analyse without blame! LOL give me the thumbs up and I'll create it if you like, but would rather someone else do it, cos I just KNOWWWWWWWWW I will get flack from someone saying NOT ANOTHER FECKING THREAD and Im too tired, sensitive and upset tbh to keep getting fecking flack. iykwim xx

Wolfgirl - I mean this in the nicest possible way, but don't you think you should put a bit of distance between yourself and this news story? You sound too affected. Yes, everyone is affected but you sound far too involved if you are experiencing a range of emotions similar to what we can only imagine the girl's parents are feeling.

Why don't you go out for the day and do something fun with your child/ren. Turn off the news. Turn off the computer. It might help you feel better.

Wolfgirl - it's the police's job to find the missing child and to collect the evidence that will be used when the person or persons who took her are caught and charged with a criminal offence. It's most definitely not their job to provide us with information. Also I think Ekra has said something totally spot on.

Maybe we neen a 'let's support each other trough this' thread for those who need to talk about this situation, not to gossip or speculate, but help those who feel the need to talk?

Wolf, I didn't think you were having a go at me at all, I was just honestly not sure what you meant in your post.

Rest assured that as far as the police is concerned no stone will be left unturned. They are very competent and even if they weren't doing everything they absolutely can anyway, with all the diplomatic pressure and media attention they really have no alternative. I'm honestly convinced there will be serious developments very soon. The police would have exposed themselves and their investigation far too much with making Murat a suspect if they weren't already very very close to a disclosure (my opinion). It's been reported (apologies for the speculative report) that the police were on to him from day 3 of the disappearance, tipped off by some important portuguese guy with businesses in the area, but they wanted to keep him close and let him get involved with the investigation to see what he knew or how involved he actually was.

Please lets not create another thread! Can't we just co-exist happilly?

guys, I do understand what you have said and will take it on board. My DH thinks Im too engaged in it all too, but heck! there we are.

I agree Tug, they will have more leads than we can ever imagine. Its just that news is slow - hey! and every day, hour, minute that goes by, is too long.

Has anyone heard, read anything this morning? Im waiting for my programme (any prog tbh) to be interupted with a news flash that she has been found.

Going on the For Sale thread now, bother folk over there LOL. xx

I just walked past the newsagent and seeing all the headlines today made me realise how out of hand this has got. If Murat is guilty then yes give him a press lynching but there hasn't been an arrest yet so there should be some respect for him and for the judicial process. If he is found guilty the press will have nothing left to say.

I think the police are best off keeping quiet and getting on with it. If they say the slightest thing, the press jump on it and make a massive story out of it, tipping off any potential suspects along the way.

I did read some of the Portuguese press yesterday, albeit translated in a very cackhanded fashion by Google, and the gist of it seemed to be, like tugamummy has indicated, that whilst the press invasion has been a shock, ultimately it has helped the police having the journos going off in all directions like headless chickens, diverting attention away from the investigations the police have really been working on.

For anyone taking a break from MN but still desperate to know when there is some real news, you can set up a text alert on BBC News website. It will ONLY text you if a MAJOR story breaks - let's hope Sky News don't have that service or you'd be receiving texts every 15 mins lol!!!

On Monday, Murat's ex wife and small dd had the press camped outside THEIR house and shouting through thier letterbox. Thanks to news coverage his young daughter has lost all anonimity and will now be known as the child of a man who was a suspect. There is no news...but the desparate quest for news, updates, every detail of what might be happening before it is conclusive in any way, has it's own victims. Yes, the news that mdeline remains lost and keeping her image in the public eye - but this constant demand for info is causing problems in itself.

murat is making his own headlines, talking to sky and other media, if cases like this are meant to be kept quiet, then he should be doing the same.there MUSt be evidence to suggest he is part of this but obv nothing set in stone so as they can arrest him, police DONT drain someones pool, spent 12 hours scouring one home and however longer with forensics in 4 others if its just some journo saying he was a bit odd??

oh and BTW, i DO strongly disagree that his daughter and exW have been splashed all over, they deserve annonimity

Oh I dunnow. Sometimes it?s best to talk to the media, they?re going to print something anyway so might as well have a say in what it is they?re going to print.

Murat befriended journalists. He offered to translate for them, he talked to them, perhaps he got carried away with the media attention, and what did the media do for him? They dropped him in it. If he had not befriended the media then his name and details would most likely not have been published, but because he got close to them, they saw it as a chance to get their good scoop and to give the public the information they so desperately ?need?. If he is innocent, those he befriended, and tried to help, have ruined his life. So why shouldn?t he tell them that. I hope that if he is innocent, that mirror journalist never works again. How much of a buzz did she get from telling her story of how she was the one who raised the alarm. Well I hope she is made to pay the price if this all turns out to be unfounded.

The media circus over this is sickening. It?s like vultures, and they could care less whose lives they ruin in the process.

Even if he'd never talked to journalists or done some translation, if he was questioned at length and his pool drained then his name would have been published. And as soon as his name was known, it was open season on him and anyone related to him. All so people can have news updates.

Non confirmed, non official news:

There's an acquaintance of Murat's, a russian man previously involved in sexual crimes, that the police has now located in the area. They think he might be involved or have information.

THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL NEWS, was reported by a newspaper (of good reputation, not a tabloid)

A Portugese paper, I take it Tuga.

yes, here

DH right;y said that he sounds of the same ilk as Ian Huntley - garnering publicity and making appeals when effectively he was nothing to do with the case - just a bystander - or as we found out later - not!!

No I disagree NFK - its not 'all because people want news updates'; lets try and separate some things out here. People want news of Madeleines return, and if possible - how the police are progressing. They dont want speculation and red-herrings. Heck, we are doing fine at that without journalists - here on mumsnet LOL

We have all agreed now - I think and hope, that the Portugese police have been right in refraining from disclosing detailed information - arguments and reasonings for this in many threads below.

For my part, and Im hoping I have some back up here, the reason I want news, is not so I can witch hunt one poor soul becasue of a need to blame someone. I would like news, to know what progress is being made to find Madeleine. As time goes on, I can more and more understand why the P.police do not disclose. Especially if puts Madeleine in more danger.

I agree, that if this chap R.M is innocent, then his life will take a long time to recover; it will take a long time for anyone to trust him again - purely becasue he has been linked to this case. And as for the media bombarding his ex-wifes home in Norfolk, well! that is disgraceful.

I believe its not the likes of you, me, and all the other interested parties that come and comment on these threads, wanting to talk/discuss/know, that is to blame for anything or for anyones downfall. It is the journalists who should be held accountable. The Editors of such tabloids/organisations that allow inaccurate news to be reported,which in turn allows for speculation. MOre often than not, incorrect speculation at that.