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Is there a thread about the poisoning of Skripal? [title edited by MNHQ]

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 07/03/2018 13:41

I've not seen a thread about it at all, but surely there must be?

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Rumpledfaceskin · 13/03/2018 16:34

I’m in shock about Tillerson! We are truly up shit creek without a paddle aren’t we?

MrsJoshDun · 13/03/2018 16:34

Russia apparantly has videos of Trump having sex with and urinating on prostitutes. No idea how true that is.

BishopBrennansArse · 13/03/2018 16:38

Or being urinated on. One or the other.

SoleBizzz · 13/03/2018 16:44

Trump is going to speak to May today and has said, "Sounds like Russia to me".

A Russian businessman has been found dead. Nikolov somebody.

DonkeyOil · 13/03/2018 16:45

Does anyone on here have any idea how long the Novichok nerve agents remain toxic and whether washing contaminated items, or cleaning with disinfectant or baby wipes can actually decontaminate them?

You see, my suspicion is not, in view of the measures which have been taken with some of the items involved. The table the pair were sitting at, and some of the staff uniforms were so badly contaminated they were destroyed, even though they are evidence, presumably?

That means that for more than 24 hours (after which the authorities knew enough of the Skripal's movements to shut the pub and the restaurant) all items likely to have been contaminated either by the pair handling them, or by contact with the table - glasses, plates, cutlery, condiments, cash, card machines, clothing, etc., were still in circulation and being touched by, presumably, lots of other people. Cash, in particular, which will not be routinely washed, could have ended up who knows where? People who sat at the table subsequently must have been exposed to the agent.

How much contact would you have needed to be affected, and could you be affected without presenting symptoms? Am asking on here, because no-one in authority seems to have addressed this issue, other than to offer what to my mind is the rather inadequate advice to wash, wipe and bag things up, considering we're dealing with one of the most powerful nerve agents that's ever been produced.

KochabRising · 13/03/2018 16:47

The answer to that is we don’t know, donkey :(

gluteustothemaximus · 13/03/2018 16:47

So the Russian found dead today in new Malden, was close friends with the one who was found hanged in 2013, who was close friends with Alexander who was poisoned with polonium...

SoleBizzz · 13/03/2018 16:49

UK might cyber attack Russia.

What are we doing? Just sweep it under the carpet May. We can do nothing.

gluteustothemaximus · 13/03/2018 16:54

Why did it take over a week to work out Sergei had been parked in Sainsbury’s car park, and then subsequently cordoned off?

It’s no good police saying ‘we’re not giving a running commentary’ - people need to know.

You can’t have military in full bio suits, whilst we all pootle around as normal.

And the restaurant was open for several hours after they left so others must have sat at the same table.

Washing clothes and wiping possessions seems poor advice when we have huge sections cordoned off, ambulances and cars covered and sent away etc

DonkeyOil · 13/03/2018 16:56

It's awful, Kochab. Surely there must be people at Porton who have at least some idea, a best guess? I just suspect people are being given really poor advice, and that more is known, but not being revealed, for fear of panic. I feel it's a really big deal that this agent could be 'out there', and the wider implications are being minimised.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2018 16:58

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-home
It was Nikolai Glushkov who was found dead yesterday.

In the tradition of the Trump threads I'm not doing posh mn links so that you can see the source of info. I think that's sensible on these threads actually where politics is involved so you can judge the quality of source for yourself before you click on the link.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/03/2018 16:59

gluteous I can understand why people are asking these questions.

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DonkeyOil · 13/03/2018 16:59

And the restaurant was open for several hours after they left so others must have sat at the same table.

It was also open for most of the next day, gluteus. They were found on the bench on Sunday afternoon, and Zizzi's was shut and cordoned off on Monday evening.

gluteustothemaximus · 13/03/2018 17:03

Yes Donkey, that’s right. Not till Monday evening, so that’s a long time to be in contact and spreading something around. Something that was so contaminated, they have burnt.

SoleBizzz · 13/03/2018 17:05

Moscow have said they will ignore our midnight deadline.

DonkeyOil · 13/03/2018 17:10

I'm usually quite measured in my response to things, I think, but this has got me really worried. I have a bad feeling about the extent of the possible contamination, and think the authorities are hugely minimising it.

brownelephant · 13/03/2018 17:56

where's agent 007 when she's needed?

KochabRising · 13/03/2018 18:10

The novichock agents all decay quite fast in water - I don’t know what the weather was like in Salisbury that day? High humidity? Wet? Dry?

The alternatives I guess are:

Porton down identified the stuff early and advised on what to do
Everyone just muddled through and by the time they realised what they were dealing with they just hoped it’d decayed, dispersed or was never present at high enough concentration to do damage.

A would be nice. B is probably more accurate

SoleBizzz · 13/03/2018 20:05

Clock is ticking....

BishopBrennansArse · 13/03/2018 20:20

sole they've already rejected the 24 hour deadline anyway. They say it'll be 10 days.

StealthPolarBear · 13/03/2018 20:20

So what will be the consequences

BishopBrennansArse · 13/03/2018 20:21

That's what worries me, Stealth.
What someone said about is being a yapping Yorkie is true so I really hope the govt don't threaten as that won't go well...

SoleBizzz · 13/03/2018 20:22

10 days for what? Bishop

I know they have but will be official at midnight.

BishopBrennansArse · 13/03/2018 20:36

They've said it'll take them 10 days to respond

PerkingFaintly · 13/03/2018 20:41

OK, Trump has now said of his phone call with May, “It sounds to me that they believe it was Russia and I would certainly take that finding as fact.”

Russia calls poisoning accusations by Britain ‘nonsense’
www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/uk-considers-options-in-showdown-with-russia-over-ex-spy/2018/03/13/8ca54828-26a2-11e8-a227-fd2b009466bc_story.html?utm_term=.2d664613849d

So that's... better than it could be.

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