What do people think is most likely to happen with the Irish/UK border?

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What is the most likely solution?

Julie: you need photo ID for these flights, check out EasyJet or Ryanair websites if you don't believe me

How do you propose taking control with no borders?

[Bangs head against wall] By stopping mass immigration within the EU accessing our benefits, schools, hospitals, houses, etc all on the whim of the streets being paved with gold and moving here.

It seems like Remainers want a hard border and zero immigration more than Leavers do. I voted to take control, not build the wall remainers keep shouting about.
Rubbish. We want to be in the EU with no borders across Ireland. It's working perfectly well now with no border at all.
It's the absurdity of Brexit that has caused this. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Martina888, yes you need photo ID you dont need a passport. I travel to NI a lot, I dont have a passport and have never been asked for one.

It's working perfectly well now with no border at all

Its really not, that is why a majority of voters want to leave.

By stopping mass immigration within the EU accessing our benefits, schools, hospitals, houses, etc all on the whim of the streets being paved with gold and moving here

And how do you propose to do that without borders?

Its really not, that is why a majority of voters want to leave.

Alot of Brexiteers didn;t give Ireland a second thought when voting. The majority on the island of Ireland support EU membership

Martina888, yes you need photo ID you dont need a passport. I travel to NI a lot, I dont have a passport and have never been asked for one.

Depends on the airline. Ryanair yes, EasyJet/FlyBe no.

So it's not a border issue then, just airline security.

Its really not, that is why a majority of voters want to leave.
It's working perfectly for Ireland, until Brexit pissed on it.

Ryanair require a passport to fly between Ireland and England. Aer Lingus don't, just photo ID.

Likewise, if you use the ferry, you don't need a passport, just photo ID.

That's if you're Irish. Not sure whether it applies to all EU citizens.

And how do you propose to do that without borders?
By checking their nationality/immigration status when they try to access these services. We are starting to do this already to stop illegal immigrants.

It's working perfectly for Ireland, until Brexit pissed on it so the UK should be run with regards to what works for the ROI, a foreign (albeit friendly) country?

And Northern Ireland too, which is part of the UK but seems to have been forgotten or ignored by Brexiters

Don't think you even need photo id for Scotland/Belfast sailings. We have travelled from England, through Wales, into Ireland, Northern Ireland, back to Ireland (this bit a few times, we're from the border) back to NI, into Scotland and back to England during the summer. We may have been asked for id on the Holyhead to Dublin route, but i think the rest was passport free. At what point do people think there should be passport control, other than Dublin/Holyhead?
At the NI/Ireland border? As mentioned, we pass through that several times in the one trip.
At the ferry between Belfast and Scotland?
Between Scotland and England?

And that's just a passport check. What about the goods in the car, the car itself, any fruit or vegetables or any other produce we might have, the pet that we take with us at Christmas?

I assume anyone that thinks the border is simple has never been to NI.

I'm away to bed, but I'll read the rest of the thread tomorrow. I just wish that someone out there had the answers. Or that the politicians had the faintest fucking clue.

^Could you draw Ireland's border with Northern Ireland?

The border with Northern Ireland has become a major stumbling block in Brexit negotiations, the British public have mixed views on how we should proceed.^

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I just saw that on FB. Some infuriating comments on that video!!

*Martina,, you said this - "nonsense, one has to show a passport when travelling on plane from NI to UK already - but its not a border"

So why would an Irish Sea border be a problem then?*

The DUP and other Unionists would have a massive issue with this. They would see it as a distancing of NI from the rest of the UK. They have dismissed this suggestion out of hand. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/12/arlene-foster-rejects-prospect-post-brexit-irish-sea-border/

Sorry, as I mentioned I haven't RTFT so I haven't seen your other posts, so I don't mean to be patronising. But people from GB, and especially England, tend to see NI as a one-sided conflict. The threat is not just from the Nationalist side. There's a reason why NI exists in the first place

Kofa that video was both enraging and depressing.
No fucker ever gets Inishowen right

that video was both enraging and depressing

How many people could draw the border between Scotland, England and Wales? FB is just the originator of massive fake news. Nobody seems to care, as long as they find stuff that supports their own opinion.

Genevieva
At the moment UK and EU regs are the same obviously and that won't change over night. As they diverged they would have to meet UK standards for UK imports and EU standards for EU imports, which would be a problem for a smaller market like the UK, so I can imagine the UK would have to do its best to stay pretty similar anyway.

And adhering to EU standards, rules, etc. would rule out a trade deal with the US or any other individual trading partner such as China or India - how do you not see that there are two sets of standards and rules in each case, and the UK can only choose one of them?

The trade scenarios put forth by Brexiters are pure delusion.

The EU has done itself no favours on the PR front by insisting on unnecessary uniformity, resulting in the Metric Martyrs etc

The metric system is not 'unnecessary uniformity'. If you trade with other countries you need to have uniform units of measurement. The Metric Martyrs are a group of luddites and probably flat earthers too delusional people who think we can all make up our own units of measurement. This is completely bonkers and 100% (

Martina888 Tue 28-Nov-17 21:14:03
Maryz:
yes, the EU did casue this mess by not allowing us to control our own borders

Actually Martina, you are completely mistaken.
UK governments just failed to take political decisions to limit immigration, or to limit the benefits immigrants would be entitled to when they arrived. Successive governments also starved the NHS and state education.

Why could the UK have controlled its borders within the EU?
Because the UK was not in the Schengen area.

fullfact.org/europe/border-security-eu/
It is all explained here.

Julie8008 Tue 28-Nov-17 21:20:24
-- That took seven years - the UK has less than 1
-- The UK already has convergence with the EU, unlike Canada had. So a deal would easily be done in 1 year, if we actually wanted one.

If you want a deal that involves convergence with the EU, then you can kiss deals with everyone else goodbye.

You have to choose. You can't have both.

Martina888, yes you need photo ID you dont need a passport. I travel to NI a lot, I dont have a passport and have never been asked for one.

Depends on the airline. Ryanair yes, EasyJet/FlyBe no.

Ryanair's website says that UK domestic flights just need photo ID, not a passport.