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I think anyone who voted Labour in the last election is complicit in murder

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Aloha · 13/04/2007 20:44

Because you knew Tony Blair lied and lied and lied to get us into that war, and now children are being killed every day, and bodies are piling up in the streets. I think he is the most vile, wicked and contemptible man in Britain. How can he sleep at night? I feel so ashamed he is our prime minister.

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PeachyChocolateEClair · 14/04/2007 11:08

yes perhaps, I agree with that I suppose

But not this sort of angry accusation, anyone who thinks they understand the motivatiosn of every voter is on cloud cuckoo land. Given that many people don't see lib dems / green as viable, well what do they do? NOT voting is a sin, imo.

And we all vote with ourselves in mind. My inclination was to vote green, I didn't. Why? Because my DH would lose his job sharpish (he works in the haulage industry). I can't do that to my family.
Every ethical stance I have says thats not right, except that it is, really. Becuse who else is going to look after their interests?

I agree that TB et al should face a court. Not a hysterical lynch mob, but a court. But equally responsible, as I have said, are those Iraqi's (and people from other states I know) who daily bomb each other and commit all sorts of atrocities. If we ignore their part- well actually that denies them their humanity, it denies their ability to make their own choices. If we let them off by randomly screeching at certain public figures we are not doing the Iraqi's any service at all, not the vast majority who go to work each day and pray for normality.

LLok at what happened and learn from it, I know I have, I'm a lot less trusting of certain politicians. Bt at the same time, take that and move on. We can't stop the clock back then, we have to get in there now and sort the awful mess. And to say as well that all people who voted Labour- thre were quite a few Labour rebels on the vote. They should be praised for havuing the eprsonal integrity to stand up and make that known, to go for their beliefs. Not chastised because of their leader- who they may not have voted for, any more than Aloha voted for TB.

Do I think TB not getting in would have changed a thing? No. America doesn't see us as a great alibi: more like (imo) a silly ittle follow on. They view themselves as possessors of the Great Right: so did this Country during Imperisalism, it was wrong and deluded then. It seesm to be a phase most powerful nations pass through, but really they should at least be able to use their history books. You don't even need to go as far as Imperialism: you only have to look at the mess other interventions in the Middle East has created to realise that is was a bad idea.

PeachyChocolateEClair · 14/04/2007 11:09

Nah it ws relevant- just the one after started Ruty... so I assumed.

custy · 14/04/2007 11:13

please excuse me - i feel inferior in this argument but i have a point. erm....quite willing to get shot down.

apart from the point about deliberatley inflamatory thread titles. (Aloha ? W.T.F.?)

my point is if you chose to remain in this society where we have a democratic process then - by vrtue of doing so you are condoning and supporting the democratic process.

henceforth my dear watson - we are all complicit in anything any govt does by virtue of erm... being in this democratic country.

PeachyChocolateEClair · 14/04/2007 11:21

Custy

well said m'love

SoupDragon · 14/04/2007 11:24

I voted labour but the conservative MP got in so I'm innocent.

ruty · 14/04/2007 11:28

I'm trying to leave actually.

Dinosaur · 14/04/2007 11:51

Think I agree with you custy.

Pruni · 14/04/2007 12:01

Message withdrawn

Dinosaur · 14/04/2007 12:02

Seems wrong that you can have your abstention registered as a kind of protest vote at a company's annual general meeting - but not in an election!

Tamum · 14/04/2007 12:03

Me too, Pruni. I agonised long and hard but we're in the most marginal of marginal seats, so a vote for the Libdems would have been a vote for the Tories essentially, so I did the same as Dinosaur. With a very heavy heart.

Dinosaur · 14/04/2007 12:04

Mine is a solid Labour seat so it wouldn't have made a whit of difference.

zookeeper · 14/04/2007 12:08

I haven't read all the posts but I agree 100% with Aloha. I think that it is shameful that the media continues to concentrate on the relatively few military fatalities whilst we seem to here only the briefest of snippets about the daily misery and suffering of the Iraqi people. Bring on the photos of the dead babies - we need to see it and realise the reality of this war.

zookeeper · 14/04/2007 12:08

I feel tainted to have voted in this government

yellowrose · 14/04/2007 12:14

ruty - the iranians are shewd - they didn't capture US navy because they KNEW they would bomb the shit out of their country, it would have been just the sort of incident Bush is itching for to bomb iran

yellowrose · 14/04/2007 12:19

peachy - i understand what you say about your dh's job - but it is POSSIBLE to make a stand - i used to work in oil/gas industry for years - i left because of unethical corporate practices of the companies i was representing - i won't go back to working in the City for that very reason - it has meant a huge financial cost to my family (we now live in a small house rather than a big one and i have a really old second hand car rather than a great big f* off brand new one) but i am happy to live with that decision

yellowrose · 14/04/2007 12:20

ruty - are you leaving the UK ? No !

Dinosaur · 14/04/2007 12:20

that's very impressive yellowrose

I work in the City and have a lot of reservations about it but as sole breadwinner feel a bit trapped at the moment. And I'm not qualified to do anything useful.

glitterfairy · 14/04/2007 12:21

I think it is quite possible to vote for someone and yet dislike some of their policies and I am certainly against the war in Iraq.

Still a government which does that and also sells off the NHS was not what I voted for.

yellowrose · 14/04/2007 12:27

dinasaur, i don't expect everyone to do this, it seems giving birth was the thing that made me see sense - or madness as my family sees it, my mum says i am totally bonkers, i guess she is right really i am ever so slightly mad

Dinosaur · 14/04/2007 12:28

Well, I am impressed anyway .

yellowrose · 14/04/2007 12:29

thanks dino - i am much happier at home with ds

ruty · 14/04/2007 12:31

yellowrose. We`would rather live in europe - am well aware that every country has it's own problems, but i do feel more comfortable in europe and one of the reasons for that is their refusal to get involved in the war in Iraq. Another reason is cheaper house prices so i'm not just being altruistic!
I admire how you've stepped away from an unethical industry, but i guess not everyone can. If you are struggling financially to start with it must be very hard.

ruty · 14/04/2007 12:42

[apologies for inappropriate use of apostrophe... ]

PeachyChocolateEClair · 14/04/2007 13:25

yelloerose Dh is gradually building up a company (electronics) and I am studying for my degree do we can make a stand. And I do make a stand in many ways- that will be our biggest I guess, but we have to work towards it, iyswim (and my degree is for pretty ethical reasons too- in fact this year i did ethics LOL)

PeachyChocolateEClair · 14/04/2007 13:28

Oh and we rent an old cottage close to Uni / school so i can walk, and our car is ancient (L reg LOL_ Admittedly Esdpace but feel SN earns exemption, and when I am earning I will drive either a Smart car or one of those duel fuels to ablance it, so we only use espace when kids with us- Dh can use eco car too)

Ruty- at least you'll still be on MN! Will you be able to find work abroad in your field? I suppose you wuld really.