Grenfell Tower fire- thread three

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Seventeen tragic deaths confirmed so far, six victims provisionally identified.
Number of those who perished feared to rise into triple figures as search proceeds
Search for remaining victims expected to take weeks, sadly it’s considered unlikely that it will be possible to identify all the victims
Names of those still missing start to emerge
Nearly 80 victims being treated across six hospitals, with 15 still in critical care
Hundreds of people displaced and dispossessed, concerned about when and where they will be rehoused

Public inquiry ordered.
Criminal investigation launched.
Serious questions being asked about fire safety regulations, management of social housing, austerity and inequality.
Fire Brigade search of building expected to take weeks due to complexity of building, extent of fire damage and the necessity of undertaking a painstaking fingertip search.

“There must be arrests after this monstrous crime” David Lammy MP

‘Families rehoused last night been left clueless about where to spend next nights. No word from #kccouncil. Chaos.” Emily Maitlis, BBC

“We have to act as if it was our friends, our family in that block” Nick Hurd MP, Policing and Fire Minister

“Someone needs to be held accountable. These deaths could have been prevented.” Local resident to Sadiq Khan

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Thread 1

Christ why do you think people should be calm and not angry? The residents have apparently been campaigning about how fire safety in their block was ignored for years.

Honestly would you be calm in this situation? Because I would not. I was nearly crying on the tube reading about mothers throwing children out of windows to be caught by others. It is bloody horrendous.

The fireman on sky just now..thank you.

I am so sorry for the little boy who's brother had already died.

I'm not saying to be calm, I am saying people need to try and calm the situation and focus the anger.

Otherwise we will have violence which will not help the situation either.

Anger is a good thing. Its a right thing. But this is becoming dangerous.

Bratsy If that was aimed at me you will see I said "I personal feel that at this point community leaders need to work (dare I say it) together to keep the calm tonight and avoid riots. I understand people are very angry, very emotional and very upset."

We don't need anymore tragedy right now, and we do not need anymore division between the communities. Riots are not a solution. They are likely to lead to more injuries, more division and more anger.

MonkeylovesRobot Everything you said is true. It's just there is so much emotion about among the survivors and relatives and other people in the area (not to mention the rest of the country) and that energy has to go somewhere. To stop riots breaking out, there needs to be outlets for that. The politicians should have been down there before now listening to people's anger and admitting they'd got things wrong.

With Teresa May's utter incompetence on top of silence from the council and KCTMO, it's probably too late. If she turned up now there WOULD be riots.

No I wouldn't want to be calm in this situation Brasty.

But I would be very aware of who had the most to gain if I, understandably, lost control of my feelings.

And that tactics like stonewalling, refusing to provide help or answers, mistimed statements that are hastily retracted, letters threatening legal action etc all things that are known to inflame anger in others.

James Brown did a live performance on national TV when Martin Luther King was shot- to prevent rioting.

Sky News‏*@SkyNews* 2h
Number of people missing and feared dead from the #GrenfellTower fire has risen to 70, according to Sky sources

This is also what Sky are saying.

Building regulations don't require older buildings to be brought up to current recommended guidance. They can meet 'all required standards' without meeting current building standards.

70 people rescued by London Fire Brigade?! Bloody hell they are amazing. I want to say a big thanks to the men and women who risk their lives every day to save other people from burning buildings up and down the country. We really appreciate everything you do.

Why do you think he did that? Whose side do you think he was on?

Whose lives did he want to save? Whose memory was he trying to safeguard?

DailyMail TM has been to one of the rest centres, she had to leave due to safety concerns. She was there an hour ago, and they started shouting "murderer" at her as a crowd surrounded her.

Agree, we need safer outlets for the emotion. I agree one hundred percent with this.

. marking place to catch up. I had to go out. I did see on the news before i left home that people were gathering for a sit in in Kensington Town Hall.

MonkeylovesRobot Yep - too late. She should have been there days ago, along with many of her colleagues.

She did turn up Daily. She was barricaded into a church.

There was amazing footage on the BBC of how local people and community leaders averted the events that could have been easily predicted.

Top I just watched that fireman on Sky.
The firemen were amazing.
The emergency service personnel don't get paid enough for the wonderful work they do.

Is it true the new cladding on the tower is not used in US , Germany or Ireland?

Fair point, I don't want riots with more people hurt. Which is why Theresa May being down there would make a difference. People do need to express their anger

Think it through Daily.

monkey so people aren't allowed to shout at the PM now? We live in a democracy not a police state ffs.

Can read two placards "defy Tory rule" and "bring down the government". Someone should tell them this isn't political...

I am seeing open calls for riots on twitter tonight.

As others say, who does that help?

Protests fine. Great even.
So long they stay that way and doesn't spill into more.

Pointless conducting a fire drill since the advice was to stay put.

David Gauke just now on Channel 4 certainly wouldn't have helped matters. Dear God. No assurances.

I'm sorry this has probably been covered earlier, I've had personal bad news to top of a week where hell has come to earth.

Anyway, I just saw that there have been 1,100 complaints about that cruel and inappropriate article about the man packing before knocking on neughbours doors.

It was a real blow to see that yesterday, the merciless scavenging of anything that might make a good headline.

I'm so glad others felt the same.

Think it through Daily.

What part of my post at 19:25:40 was ill thought through?

Two very articulate blokes on BBC news atm