Grenfell Tower fire- thread three

[RhythmAndStealth]

Seventeen tragic deaths confirmed so far, six victims provisionally identified.
Number of those who perished feared to rise into triple figures as search proceeds
Search for remaining victims expected to take weeks, sadly it’s considered unlikely that it will be possible to identify all the victims
Names of those still missing start to emerge
Nearly 80 victims being treated across six hospitals, with 15 still in critical care
Hundreds of people displaced and dispossessed, concerned about when and where they will be rehoused

Public inquiry ordered.
Criminal investigation launched.
Serious questions being asked about fire safety regulations, management of social housing, austerity and inequality.
Fire Brigade search of building expected to take weeks due to complexity of building, extent of fire damage and the necessity of undertaking a painstaking fingertip search.

“There must be arrests after this monstrous crime” David Lammy MP

‘Families rehoused last night been left clueless about where to spend next nights. No word from #kccouncil. Chaos.” Emily Maitlis, BBC

“We have to act as if it was our friends, our family in that block” Nick Hurd MP, Policing and Fire Minister

“Someone needs to be held accountable. These deaths could have been prevented.” Local resident to Sadiq Khan

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The people who will be damaged most rioting are poor people.

The public mood is very much behind the residents of Grenfell Tower, the surrounding estate and other similar areas across the country.

Who would gain from sympathies turning?

Did anyone here see the s*n journalist who pretended to be a friend of a victim to get into the hospital btw?

Not your post Daily the whole situation.

The people who will be damaged most rioting are poor people.

We all will be damaged by riots.

Poor and middle class. Remember all the shops and businesses lost in the 2011 riots?

Teacake Where have I said "people are not allowed to shout at the PM".

Read my posts please before alluding to fallacies.

Daily Partially agree with you regarding Theresa May and visiting earlier, however, I understand it was a security risk yesterday (terrorism), and whilst I think it would have been good for her to visit yesterday for the communities, I do think it would have been horrific if the community then had to deal with the added event of a terrorist attack, foiled or successful. I was pleased to see she visited Chelsea and Westminster today, and even more pleased that she did not allow cameras to film her visit whilst she was inside the hospital visiting vulnerable patients and their families.

Oh god, sorry.

Didn't realise that.

The people dealing with the riots will be the same emergency services who have been helping this week and are trying to identify bodies and treat victims right now.
Fury skews your common sense though

It's a very dangerous thing though.

With respect Chardonnay, that's part of my point.

Divide and rule.

Nobody on here is calling for riots, or suggesting it would be a good idea.

I hope everyone on here can agree, though, that protests are part of a healthy democracy and understandable given recent events.

Daily Partially agree with you regarding Theresa May and visiting earlier, however, I understand it was a security risk yesterday (terrorism), [Snipped for length, not ignoring your post!]

I'm not buying it - if it was safe for the Queen, it was safe for her. We know from her track record that Teresa May is unwilling to face criticism face-to-face or to interact with the public. I don't think security was the reason she hasn't been there before today.

BeyondStrongAndStable No, I really hope he didn't get any footage though; and I know Chelsea well enough to know that he would not have got off lightly with doing this.

They take patient care and confidentiality very, very seriously. As they should.

Protests are easily highjacked.

Hope it won't happen.

People have righteous anger, politicians are not listening to them or taking them seriously, they are upset, scared and if they witnessed anything possibly very traumatised. Their local council is spending their time trying to say residents didn't want sprinklers and sending out threatening letters. I don't think they know who was living there and I don't think they cared enough to find out before now. The way it's been dealt with up until now is as an inconvenience getting in the way of discussions with the dup.

I'm angry and upset and I'm not there, it's not my family. If I were being treated the way the survivors and families are being treated I don't think I'd be rational, cool or fair. I hope things can be calmed but the politicians in charge seem determined to keep fucking the community over and over. Why keep prodding a powder keg?

She just didn't want to do it "Daily".

And yes protest is a part of a healthy democracy Emily.

But I think it's also healthy to be aware of who has something to gain by orchestrating the situation.

Daily Yes - it was safe today for them both to visit. I don't know if I buy it either BTW, but I can see the reasons why it may have some truth behind it. Changing dynamics, large crowds, North Kensington has had previous arrests relating to terrorism, etc. But, yes, I am unsure in how much truth is behind anything a politician says these days sadly.

I'll never know, but I hope, as I'd hope of any human being, she didn't deliberately stay away because she didn't have the humanity to visit those suffering devastating loses.

BTW - Would it be wrong to run an idea I've had in the aftermath of all this by you all - I am unsure if it's too early or too insensitive, but it relates to trauma support.

Yes, Handbag you do have to wonder why the powder keg keeps being prodded.

It's almost like someone wants it to explode.

Who would want it to explode and why?

Just saw the fireman interviewed by Sky - I cannot comprehend how awful it all is still.
Again I'm in tears, and then feel so bloody selfish because I'm not remotely connected to it.
I've so much respect & gratitude to all the police & firefighters and the poor, poor people who were involved & who witnessed it.
Just horrific. And wrong, and unnecessary and disgusting.
This is Britain in 2017, this shouldn't be happening.

Agree 100% with dailymail it is absolutely, simply astoundingly, shocking that virtually no conservative ministers save Leadsom could find the gumption to go and visit those people. Respect is due to her acted like a PM today despite not winning the leadership.

TM on the other hand is proving to be disastrous for the image of the conservatives. She's PM. It's her job, it's her responsibility. She should have been the first bloody person there. The first. There is simply no excuse. Sure she would have been heckled. She should have squared up and taken it. Even Tony Blair attended a memorial the other day where no one wanted him. But he went because it was his responsibility. Now the situation is getting out of hand, well its doing so because of the same bloody minded nonchalence these people have had to put up with for years. Everything has a tipping point.

The Queen surely needs much higher security than a Prime Minister?

If it's the council I say institutionalised lethargy over conspiracy Rhythm.

The Queen and the probable next King. Obvs not as important as TM