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Grenfell Tower

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RhythmAndStealth · 14/06/2017 04:49

Watching the news just now and I can't believe my eyes. It looks absolutely horrific.

I want to think everyone got out safe, but sadly I just can't.

Some of the news reports are about alleged poor safety standards and dangerous living conditions. If that's true it just beggars belief.

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brexitstolemyfuture · 14/06/2017 22:17

Just walking home and so many new building a are cladded with wood thesedays. Very worrying.

TheBogQueen · 14/06/2017 22:20

FBI live video now front page on the daily record.

SailAwayWithMeHoney · 14/06/2017 22:26

It's everywhere BogQueen 😞

HelenaDove · 14/06/2017 22:28

Ive not seen it and i dont want to

HemanOrSheRa · 14/06/2017 22:28

I'm not sure but I'm guessing that there are hundreds of people cut off by the cordon? Not just those who have been rendered homeless with nothing. I'm also assuming that whilst the evacuation centres are overwhelmed now with initial donations this won't nearly be enough to help everyone involved.

Dowser · 14/06/2017 22:32

I wonder where the council was in regards to helping with supplies, lothes, food etc

Years ago my dad was a member of the Red Cross volunteers.

Several times they would do a bit of a dummy run in case of emergency.
There were also warehouses full of food and supplies.

My dad isn't here now to ask, but I'd like to think we still had this system.

As this fire in London is a massive emergency situation there should be a co-ordinated approach to a situation where people are almost like refugees.

I kept looking for it but saw nothing.

HelenaDove · 14/06/2017 22:34

Exactly........where was the council all day.

brexitstolemyfuture · 14/06/2017 22:39

Has anyone seen the BBC interview with a resident of the tower talking about social cleansing? It's the number 4 trending video on YouTube right now.

The BBC allowed this to be broadcasted but we are not allowed to discuss it here?

ZaphodBeeblerox · 14/06/2017 22:41

To PP who said Corbyn was capitalising on the tragedy... he repeatedly said that today was not the time for it. Today was the time to be focusing on the rescue efforts and helping survivors. But serious questions need to be asked later on what happened.

It's just that we know from so much experience that these things happen, everyone gets outraged and then everyone moves on. All the people who were posting in the middle of the London and Manchester attacks that now is not the time to be discussing police cuts and we shouldn't politicise tragedies... ok.. it's been a week, can we discuss those now? Similarly a week will go by and all the donations will stop and people will move on, and these lives will still be devastated. And all the other families living in similarly clad buildings will be looking around and wondering if their builders also have a backup statement prepared that omits the fire safety clearance in the off chance something goes wrong. But I take your points that now is not the time to discuss these things. Can we all promise to reconvene in 72 hours to discuss these things then?

ZaphodBeeblerox · 14/06/2017 22:43

On another thread asking where the PM was the OP got roundly shouted at r politicising the issue, and was told the Maybot was probably hard at work dealing with the tragedy. So out of genuine curiousity considering it is nighttime and the council have fucked off, what has the government been doing then?

SylviaPoe · 14/06/2017 22:45

I found Corbyn's comments measured and reassuring.

sleepingdragons · 14/06/2017 22:47

I wonder where the council was in regards to helping with supplies, lothes, food

"The absence of the council on the street as hundreds of families were homeless was concerning, said Judith Bakeman, a Labour councillor at Kensington and Chelsea. “There’s been so many cuts, there aren’t enough people to deal with this.”"

link

Lagirafe · 14/06/2017 22:50

Something Maybot said does not sit well with me at all. "IF lessons can be learned" as if this was all the plan? What the fuck of course lessons can be learned. They could have been learned from the previous tower block fires too and then perhaps these innocent lives would not have been lost and such such tragedy.
My heart goes out to everyone. It's just awful.

BossyBitch · 14/06/2017 22:50

Indeed, Zaphod!

Can we talk about the elephant in the room? The fact that these people died because they were poor/living in council housing? And, no, I don't mean to be disrespectful. I don't mean to politicise the issue - this already IS a political issue!

Is it not a lot more m disrespectful to pretend that this is simply a tragedy, to pretend this kind of stuff just happens? There is nothing respectful about acting as though inequality isn't killing people in the UK in a multitude of ways, it's merely self-serving denial.

sweetkitty · 14/06/2017 22:50

Just watched the news with my two eldest daughters we were all so shocked and in tears those poor people

thereallochnessmonster · 14/06/2017 22:55

RBKC website:

"The council is helping those affected and in need of emergency accommodation. It is also giving financial assistance to cover their immediate needs.

Our immediate priority is to accommodate the residents of Grenfell Tower, families with young children, the elderly and the vulnerable.

We are still placing households and housing officers will work throughout the night to provide assistance and support.

For those unable to return to their homes in the surrounding area, a rest centre has been set up at Westway Sports Centre, Crowthorne Road, W10 6RP.

This will be open throughout the night to provide emergency accommodation.

We have heard a number of theories about the cause of the fire at Grenfell Tower. All of these will be thoroughly investigated as part of the formal investigation which has already begun."

sodablackcurrant · 14/06/2017 22:56

The pictures of the burning block of flats is unbelievable.

I just hope many got out alive.

Hard to see that happening though, with the rage of that fire. But you'd never know. Hope springs eternal.

God help them all.

ZaphodBeeblerox · 14/06/2017 22:57

Yup exactly.

I'm quite angry as it happens and not channeling it well, so trying to stay as calm as possible. I have a few friends on FB who marked themselves as safe in the London fire. Sweetheart you're a fucking lawyer earning six figures. No one was worried you were in a tower block at 1.15 in the morning.

(Then again, who knows, maybe people were. And I didn't actually say that to her or anyone else.. just feeling this intense anger towards rich friends who all vote Tory and have private healthcare and all were distraught about the LB attacks but don't seem as bothered by this.. guess their shock only extends to their usual London haunts).

thatdearoctopus · 14/06/2017 23:02

I found Corbyn's comments measured and reassuring.

I didn't. I found them snide and opportunistic.

sodablackcurrant · 14/06/2017 23:02

The lack of a quote function here can be very confusing when reading posts.

Anyway, there are more pressing issues at the moment.

Tomorrow will bring more bad news I suspect, since the firefighters are unable to enter the building yet to find out.

Awful stuff. Awful.

Zoflorabore · 14/06/2017 23:03

Ffs that video streamed on fb is now showing on sky news :(

HelenaDove · 14/06/2017 23:04

Agree with both Zaphod and Bossy. Tenants can repeat themselves over and over but will be not believed and/or ignored

Efferlunt · 14/06/2017 23:07

I've never been more grateful to come home to my own house with my own front door and not be at the mercy of some corner-cutting council who won't listen to my concerns. This is horrific. We need to push for an enquiry.

Want2bSupermum · 14/06/2017 23:09

I'm in absolute shock that this has happened. I've lived in tower blocks here in NYC. The building codes are extremely strict and everything was retrofitted years ago. A fire in a unit does not go beyond that floor.

If a building here is found to be in violation of fire codes the city goes in and does the work to make it fire safe and puts a lien on the building. Eventually it's recouped when the building is sold or foreclosed.

They need to call DeBlasio and have the NYC building code people advise them on how to run their fire safety because clearly no one in the UK has a damn clue.

Also I'd like to see the HA management charged with manslaughter at the very least.

SerfTerf · 14/06/2017 23:09

Bossy I'm not quite with that lad insofar as I doubt the aim was to start a far.

But he's correctly identifying a mood, I think. One of carelessness and indifference towards social housing in London. I'm sure RBK&C would much much rather social housing just went away.

I can well imagine cosmetic concerns and "green" grants turning their head when considering how to tart up the blocks on the cheap. It wouldn't stretch credulity if their main concern was how to make the towerblocks less offensive on the eye for other borough residents.

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