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Grenfell Tower

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RhythmAndStealth · 14/06/2017 04:49

Watching the news just now and I can't believe my eyes. It looks absolutely horrific.

I want to think everyone got out safe, but sadly I just can't.

Some of the news reports are about alleged poor safety standards and dangerous living conditions. If that's true it just beggars belief.

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Handsoffmysweets · 14/06/2017 21:29

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MumIsRunningAMarathon · 14/06/2017 21:32

Well we don't know who is to blame yet!

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 14/06/2017 21:37

yes to the emergency workers

I can't imagine to be the partner of a fire person last night knowin what they had to go into

And the already stretched hospitals given that London Bridge was less than 2 weeks ago

I salute them

Rinoachicken · 14/06/2017 21:47

This is interesting (and rather telling) from the BBC, reported at 7:18pm:

Rydon, the company that carried out the refurbishment of Grenfell Tower, has issued a new statement on the blaze in the last hour or so, in which a previous mention of the building meeting all fire regulation standards has been removed.

Its new statement says:

The project met all required building regulations and handover took place when the completion notice was issued by the Department of Building Control, Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea."
Before, the company statement said:

[The project] met all required building control, fire regulation and health and safety standards."

helenfagain · 14/06/2017 21:47

The footage of this is one of the most awful things I have ever seen. Please remember there is unlikely to be one cause/fault responsible for this. Usually with these tragedies there are a catalogue of things that add up to a disaster (think Piper Alpha). No point in speculating till the investigation has been done.

sugarlost · 14/06/2017 21:47

I'm so sad for the people who have lost their lives and those who have been affected by this tragedy.

Thankful we have people who want to work in the emergency services...they are courageous and special people.

WellThisIsShit · 14/06/2017 21:48

God yes Hands, yes, this :

"Nothing much to add really other than if you are an emergency services worker in this country, a volunteer or anyone else who works so hard for others, thank you from the bottom of my heart."

When my home was flooded (from a stoned wanker 3 floors above cutting the water main to his house), the fire service and police were amazing.

They helped save some of me and baby DS's most precious things when all they had to do was help me and DS.

But they did more, because that's what they do. Over and over again.

I remember how kindly one came to break the news that the water was coming down the walls now and nothing else was salvageable... and she was so kind as she thought I'd be upset but I wasn't because I was just so glad they were there and how much they helped already.

I wasn't even sure I should have called them but they were so lovely and reassuring. They even drove us to a hotel and argued with (bloody awful jobsworth) hotel staff for over an hour to get us in a room for the night, which lasted weeks in the end.

I feel duty bound to explain that I'm disabled, and had injured self trying to get help, and lived alone with a young toddler, as DS was then, so not quite the horrendous waste of resources you might be thinking. Hadn't even thought about electrics and water, in my panic, and was knee high with water running down onto me through the electric sockets (whilst carrying DS ffs) - A funny story nowadays but obviously could have ended very differently.

I remember saying for weeks and weeks after how amazing they all were, and how I'd never met anyone else that I'd rather have around in a (bigger) emergency.

I hope that some of the people have had that same feeling, even just a bit, though I know the situations aren't comparable.

Someone interviewed said a fire fighter was lying on the ground and still managed to guide him to safety, by gesture and touch.

I hope that firefighter is ok tonight. Flowers

Shadow666 · 14/06/2017 21:48

I'm not sure if this has already been posted but they did manage to rescue the elderly man who was trapped on the 11th floor. He looks ok.

MistyMinge · 14/06/2017 21:48

I haven't read the whole thread, but I feel deeply affected by this and feel I need to put something somewhere.

I think of my babies tucked up safe in their beds and then think of all the parents that thought they'd tucked their children safely into bed last night. To be so desperate that throwing your child out of a window is the best option is absolutely heartbreaking.

How the fuck can this tragedy happen in this day in age. I hope the cunts responsible for this are bought to justice. Those flats may as well have been coated in petrol. No building would normally go up in flames as quickly and severely as that. Someone has to be accountable.

I just hope that a large number of people passed out before the flames reached them.

Rest in peace you poor poor souls.

Shadow666 · 14/06/2017 21:49

I'm not sure if this has already been posted but they did manage to rescue the elderly man who was trapped on the 11th floor. He looks ok.

MakingMerry · 14/06/2017 21:49

What's also concerning, is there seems to be little to no local authority coordination of the relief response. What the local community is doing is amazing. But they appear to be doing it with no council involvement - It's mosques, it's churches, it's local charities - it's not KCBC. I have not seen one news report of their involvement.

callmehannahbaker · 14/06/2017 21:49

Oh my god, BBC 5 mins ago showed pics of 'the confirmed dead' they have now said they are missing, not dead! Massive fucking screw up

whatwouldrondo · 14/06/2017 21:51

From the guardian newsfeed "The absence of the council on the street as hundreds of families were homeless was concerning, said Judith Bakeman, a Labour councillor at Kensington and Chelsea. “There’s been so many cuts, there aren’t enough people to deal with this.”
Referring to Notting Hill Methodist church’s Rev Mike Long, she said: “Mike has been running this centre giving people food and water all day and not a single person from the council has been here.”

As we spoke, a volunteer from the Harrow Club and Latimer AP Academy, came to tell the councillor she had 138 beds available. He said that no one official had been to the centre and he didn’t know what to do with that information."

wisteriainbloom · 14/06/2017 21:52

KCBC have put a statement on their page asking for people to stop bringing donations of clothes etc.

There are some people in my area doing collections and we live about an hour and a half away, it struck me as not a very helpful thing to do really.

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ToastDemon · 14/06/2017 21:52

Sounds like the official disaster relief has been shocking to non-existent and the press intrusion has caused great distress:

:www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/14/grenfell-fire-location-reaction-anger

HelenaDove · 14/06/2017 21:56

The boss of Rydon Group was paid £424"000 in the year to September 30

He also gained dividends of £734"000

squoosh · 14/06/2017 22:01

Surely they had a linked fire alarm system? So if a smoke detector was activated, it sets off all of the other detectors too.

Doesn't seem as though they did. Residents said there were no alarms aside from smoke detectors that they had installed in their homes themselves.

YellowLawn · 14/06/2017 22:02

interestingly germany is currently the only european country where flammable fassade covering is illegal in buildings over 22m (about 7 storeys).

squoosh · 14/06/2017 22:03

No alarms sounded I should have said. There may well have been an alarm system but it doesn't seem to have worked.

BoffinMum · 14/06/2017 22:06

This breaks my heart. I used to be on the board of a housing association and everyone took such pains to listen to tenants, and we helped set up a lot of residents' associations, precisely so we could learn about their needs and concerns. Now people who rent are seen as a burden. It doesn't help that the local councils and their oversight abilities are pared to the bone. I want my old country back where systems were in place to give people dignity and protect them.

Spottyarm · 14/06/2017 22:07

I'm in tears, and I never get affected by the news. But all those parents who couldn't save their children. All those kids who called out for someone to help them and no one could. I just don't understand it, I can't. I feel fucking awful.

SailAwayWithMeHoney · 14/06/2017 22:12

I also saw the fb live video 😨 I (along with many others) messaged the site who'd posted it and asked them to remove it. So harrowing. I pray those people made it out alive.

Someone said it upthread and I think it's worth repeating, it's very likely that a catalogue of failures led to this.

LBOCS2 · 14/06/2017 22:16

wisteria, I've donated some bits locally and we're in south east London - a group I'm in is doing coordinated donations in a couple of locations and hiring one van to take it all up there either tomorrow or Friday, rather than lots of different people trying to go up there at the same time and clogging up the roads and donation centres.

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