Grenfell Tower

[RhythmAndStealth]

Watching the news just now and I can't believe my eyes. It looks absolutely horrific.

I want to think everyone got out safe, but sadly I just can't.

Some of the news reports are about alleged poor safety standards and dangerous living conditions. If that's true it just beggars belief.

Yes, Strummer. That had crossed my mind too, especially as it is on the outside of buildings so accessible.

*"Today 19:43 sleepingdragons

As if they would care what mumsnet think- it's not important to anyone else is it? What would be the motivation?

Oh but they do care what mumsnet thinks.

Mumsnet does well on the google results. If someone's out to do a bit of damage limitation they may well find this thread and include it on their list - or maybe the ex(cough cough)-employee is a mumsnetter already."*

What does this even mean? List of what? Damage limitation? It makes no sense. MN doesn't have any influence on the investigation. The public opinion won't be considered. No one here will stop being a customer of these organisations based on this.

I am totally at a loss to understand what an agenda might be. My motivation is to clarify some outlandish, baseless claims which are themselves in fairly poor taste from someone who has direct expernce of that block.

This tragedy, and the three terrorist attacks prove, more than ever, how under valued and under paid our services; Police, Fire and NHS personnel are by this government, and how highly they are valued by ordinary people. They run in to help, rescue and care for us, at our most vulnerable, when every instinct should be to run the other way.

I totally agree coolcarrie and I think it's despicable really, that they have been treated so badly with conditions and pay effectively being cut instead of increased. Not only should they be properly rewarded for what they do, they should be recognised and appreciated.

Yes, words are cheap when it comes to most politicians, they will be praising them for a while, in public, but it comes to increasing their pay, they will find ways to cheat them out of a decent living wage. Look how Boris the bike managed to close down fire stations in London during his tenure as mayor.

The public opinion won't be considered

But when it comes to getting repeat business, their public image is almost as important as the quotes they give.

I understand that you feel for your friends, but this isn't the thread to voice that opinion. People have died in horrific circumstances. Now is not the time to be publicly supporting the management company of the tower block.

Message your friends your condolences in private.

What repeat business? It's a tenant management organisation

I am not connected to the building Contractors. People are mixing them up- they are two completely separate organisations.

Ceto Squoosh i can well believe it.

When i phoned Gas Safety to raise concerns about the company in my link that do a lot of the gas safety checks and maintenance for 32 HAs i was told that nothing could be done until something actually happened.

So what the fuck are tenants supposed to do.

MissEliza My thread on HAs includes the problems in new builds. The Guardian covered it extensively recently.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2901354-Housing-associations-Are-you-having-problems

Just watched a guy on the news saying he threw stones at his neighbours windows to wake them up, and now wishes he hadn't because then they had to wake up, trapped, and die horribly.

Jesus.

Sorry if this has already been posted...

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My friend's dh is a fire-fighter whose colleagues are attending the scene. There are some very grim accounts of what they've experienced today.
The knock-on effects of such a catastrophic event are far-reaching.

There is an awful piece of mobile phone footage on the internet (from a resident who posted it live on FB) that I so wish I hadn't clicked on. What those poor, poor people must have gone through defies the imagination.

God bless them and may they rest in peace.

WTF Sky just showed some footage from Facebook live at about half 1 this morning. The poor woman is praying and trying to work out how to get past the fire. Sky finished by saying they have no idea what happened to her. What the hell are Sky thinking of transmitting that. Absolute fucking vultures

My friend's dh is a fire-fighter whose colleagues are attending the scene. There are some very grim accounts of what they've experienced today.
The knock-on effects of such a catastrophic event are far-reaching.

I have training through my job with our local fire service. According to their officers they rarely have to deal with people who have been trapped beyond help. This is because they are so quick to respond and train, train, train. This incident must be absolutely horrifying for the firefighters involved.

People are booking hotel rooms in the area and offering them to any residents who need them via Twitter.

Lucy, That was the footage I stupidly clicked on. Can't get it out of my head.

So hope as the sun goes down all those left homeless are being offered accommodation.

And I think I read somewhere that that poor woman and everyone on her floor didn't make it out.

It absolutely should NOT have been posted on national media.

The council and landlords and all involved in this shoddy shitshow, including the government should be investigated and held criminally accountable.

And of course most building are accessible by firefigheters laders so if they can hear or see people alive and trapped they usually can then get straight too them. Only in highrises is that difficult.

This is so,so horrible, horrific, appalling and sad.This should not have happened in the UK..Heads should roll . The first thing I said to DH when I heard the news this morning is that I am angry this ever could have happened.

Events in the U.K. in the last month have really highlighted how very,very valuable and excellent if underpaid our emergency services, and (nurses and doctors) are.

I really hope local councils take note very quickly and ensure that there is no possibility of anything happing like this anywhere else. Please let lessons be learned from this awful, awful tragedy.

I see that Jeremy Corbyn didn't waste much time implying that this was the Tories' fault. Has that man no shame? Today, of all days.

Yes Cool, perhaps one good thing could possibly come out of this tragedy and waste of precious lives, is if all emergency services became a little more 'valuable' in the eyes of politicians and bureaucrats who keep cutting pay and numbers to the bone.

(And gawd floofy I'm struggling to take my own advice, bang bang bang goes the little drum who must be heard at the expense of others. Sigh. Must do better).

I have tried to self censor some of the worst footage from today, as I don't think me watching it would help. I keep breaking down in tears as it is, which isn't helpful at all to the people directly involved. Those poor poor people trapped and scared and waiting for the help that could never come. And the people alive tonight but not knowing where their loved ones are.

God it's all just so bloody awful.

Sorry, not helping I know. I think I'll write off tonight and try to get a grip tomorrow. I just wish I could do anything to help, to take away the pain and fear those poor people must be feeling.

I'm so devastated by this. It's disgusting.

The council and landlords and all involved in this shoddy shitshow, including the government should be investigated and held criminally accountable.
This.