Wheelchair Vs Buggy

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I've just been reading about Doug Paulley being successful in the supreme court regarding pushchairs having to move for a wheelchair user. How does this work practically if there isn't any space to move to and you've already paid for your journey? Considering I travel with a large double pram with twins under 1 I can't just fold it up and sit with a child on my lap so I'd have to get off the bus.

Yes TfL have always broken their own capacity rules.

And in recent year's it's easier for them to tell as the oyster reader's take a count.

"Today 12:52 11122aa

Ill still be surprised if a London Bus ever tries to evict standing passengers during Peak Time. You never get anyone to volunteer to get off and a driver cant leave his cab. TFL must be aware they always breaking the capacity rules."

I've said about 3 times on this thread I've been on many buses that have done this. They don't need volunteers, they just take the bus out of service. They don't need to get out their cab, they make an announcement on the loudspeaker

This is what she said (I tried to reply but it won't go through)

First come first served is the only sensible way to manage this. I don't see why a disabled person should be able to have a baby and parent thrown off a bus.

I'm quite impressed with the buses in edinburgh they have two spaces one with a picture of a wheelchair on the floor and one behind it with a buggy pic on the floor. And flooding seats for if neither are in use.

From what I saw if it was empty 2 pushchairs/buggys could use the space but if a wheelchair user got on one of them got off.

I also saw a driver say very clearly but also calmly to a mum who didn't want to get off. That is your prerogative madam but I won't be leaving this stop untill this person (wheelchair user) is sitting where your buggy is now. She realised she was just going to be stuck there so very pissed off got off.

First come first served is the only sensible way to manage this. I don't see why a disabled person should be able to have a baby and parent thrown off a bus.

I'm very glad the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

The parent and baby don't have to leave the bus, just fold the buggy abc make space for the wheelchair.

user parents have the option of walking. It's not really a level playing field is it,

Are you going to provide powerchairs for everyone that wants them and a network of charging points?

Ah user you are one of those everybody is equal people, nobody is being thrown off buses just prams dont have priority, wheel a mile in a wheelchair users wheels you would understand.

But it is a false dichotomy. Accommodate both; a wheelchair user and a carer with small children are each in need of a bit of extra thought from drivers, other passengers. It is, as always, a question of funding to add more flexible seating areas and the creation of a another vulnerable scapegoat in this unnecessary binary.
It is also the definition of discrimination to cite some horrible people posting on FB as justification for a stance on a group of people.

Nobody needs to be thrown off if the parent collapses the pram and frees up the space

What if it's an infrequent rural bus? Some only have one service a day and travel a long way - would the person with the buggy just be abandoned at a random bus stop miles from theirs destination?

I do think if you know you'll be using buses it would be sensible to have a small easy to fold buggy though - problem solved!

Only a fool would board an infrequent rural bus with a buggy they couldn't fold.

The level of ignorance expressed on that Facebook thread is shocking and offensive. I'm really pleased about today's ruling.

It is also the definition of discrimination to cite some horrible people posting on FB as justification for a stance on a group of people.

Excuse me? Are you accusing me of discrimination?

I was pointing out that some parents do have the attitude that they are more important than wheelchair users who have absolutely no option but to be in their chair. That's why this case ended up in court. Nowhere did I say that all parents think like this. I explicitly said that I wouldn't think a parent had this view UNLESS they then behaved in a manner that showed they didn't want to move for a wheelchair user who was entitled to the space.

I'm sorry; I totally agree that wheelchair users take precedence, but I find it really unpleasant that this point has to be made with such aggression towards mothers.

It's such a shame that mothers have to be so aggressive to wheelchair users (who are also mothers)

But the only reason the point is having to be made with "agression" is because a small minority of parents are too selfish to understand the difference between a wheelchair and a buggy!

Qwertie perhaps the point didn't need to made with such aggression towards mothers if a small but vocal minority of mothers reacted with such selfishness and aggression towards wheelchair users.

Didn't react is what I meant!

I can't be the only person pissing themselves with laughter at the (presumably London-centric) "just get the next bus" crew ?

Some places only have a bus a day (or week).

And what if the bus in question is the last bus ?

I'm sorry; I totally agree that wheelchair users take precedence, but I find it really unpleasant that this point has to be made with such aggression towards mothers.

Pity some mothers can't see outside their own bubbles and show such aggression and ignorance towards wheelchair users

I'm sorry; I totally agree that wheelchair users take precedence, but I find it really unpleasant that this point has to be made with such aggression towards mothers.

Apology accepted.

The only aggression I can see has been towards those mothers who refuse to respect the wheelchair user's right to the wheelchair space. I think that's quite justified.