Wheelchair Vs Buggy

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I've just been reading about Doug Paulley being successful in the supreme court regarding pushchairs having to move for a wheelchair user. How does this work practically if there isn't any space to move to and you've already paid for your journey? Considering I travel with a large double pram with twins under 1 I can't just fold it up and sit with a child on my lap so I'd have to get off the bus.

What happen's is there standing passengers in the wheelchair space and there is no where else to stand on the Bus

Then the bus is over-full.

The first is from the bus drivers perspective, what are they supposed to do now if someone flat out refuses to move?

The same as they do if there is any problem on the bus, pull over and call for back up.

Sling's would better for small babies rather than a pram

They don't just query it they actively fight it manumission

"First come first served"

"Oh yeah? And what you do if a wheelchair was here already? Demand they get off? Bet you don't. So stop picking on me and wait for another bus like everyone else"

good on Doug Paulley!

Here here.

Oh and my personal favourite..

"You wanted equality you've got it. Now queue and wait like everyone else and be equal"

If people are standing in disabled spaces then the bus is over capacity

I was commenting on a couple of threads on news pages on fb but was getting increasingly annoyed at them and realised I simply didn't have enough fight to educate that level of stupid

Not once you have multiple children and stuff to carry or a bad bag 111. Let's not start making sweeping statements about what is "best" for other people's children eh?

Wheelchairs take precedence. Parents can make their own decisions around that.

In the oldern day's my mum said even a fold up buggy on the bus was a no no. People are lazier now a days she thinks and they just dont want to walk.

Bag back

BAD BACK

... woman gets out of wheelchair in to a seat and the carer then folds it!!!

So ?

People use wheelchairs for many different reasons. MrsLH used hers - despite being "able" to walk, because the trips and falls due to MS were becoming increasingly serious. But she could have got out of her wheelchair and fold it if needed (which admittedly meant no need for a wheelchair space).

Of course disability policing is increasingly common despite being a complex subject . Luckily we have the Daily Mail to remind us it's all down to skin colour and immigration status which is much simpler.

Oh yeah? And what you do if a wheelchair was here already? Demand they get off? Bet you don't. So stop picking on me and wait for another bus like everyone else"

I don't use buses much these days.

Do by standing passengers have a word with them?

It's conspicuous that no iPhone videos of these incidents have done the rounds (unlike bigotry on the tube).

In London the busses always run over crowded. A bus driver would never ever leave the wheelchair space empty because no wheelchair or buggy was on board the bus but could be at the next stop.

Thanks Donkey

"You wanted equality you've got it. Now queue and wait like everyone else and be equal"

Human beings really are disgusting sometimes.

In London bus drivers are totally zero tolerance and if you don't do what they say they stop the bus and take it out of service. They might just sit there until you do what they want or they might chuck everyone off and go back to the depot. Either way, you won't win against them

For twins I would do what I did for mine with small gap. One in sling, one in small folding pram. Then pram can be folded and tucked by feet and both on you lap if needed

They tend to call the police more now a days. You can never be sure when someone has a knife.

That's how it should be trainspotting well really it shouldn't get to that point at all but if it does.

When I was in London with ds in his chair last year we had no issues with buses (avoided rush hour though). Trains was another matter though!

I don't see how you could call the police because this isn't a criminal offence. They could keep the peace I suppose thought waste of resources

I'm not trying to catch anyone out here; I'm genuinely asking about the "then the bus is over capacity":
are drivers meant to ensure that the wheelchair space is always kept vacant, no matter how many people are trying to board? Until I had DS I commuted in London by bus, and the journeys home in particular were always stuffed to bursting.

For £20 you can get a cheap folding buggy. Dressed in a warm all in one a baby should be fine for the odd shopping trip and a sling makes it even easier. I did this and it works well.

Where I live the buses are only ever full during rush hour and most mums with buggies don't need to travel then. So it's pretty easy to move seats.