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Two year old murdered

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paws4thought · 13/02/2007 16:40

I've just read on the net about the 2 year old who was sexually assulte and murdered. why does this have to happen? I'm very upset as i'm sure you all will be once you hear/read about this. Have a look at \link{http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/6356009.stm}

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kittylette · 14/02/2007 11:34

id happily slit the bastards throat, and thats no joke

LittleBoSheep · 14/02/2007 11:34

Do we live in a civililised society today?

Would you want these people coming out of prison and living next door to you? I guess we can console ourselves with the fact that we respected their human rights next time they rape and murder a 2 year old.

oliveoil · 14/02/2007 11:34

I have this argument with dh all the time - he agrees with the death penalty, I do not, he reads about these stories and wants to discuss them, I put my hands over my ears and go la la la la la.

kittylette · 14/02/2007 11:35

well said little bo

did he take her 'human rights' into consideration as he did that to her??

oliveoil · 14/02/2007 11:35

so you would slit someones throat?

god I hope you don't get on a jury

fgs

mumto3girls · 14/02/2007 11:36

Olive Oil..are you a mother??!!!

hunkermunker · 14/02/2007 11:36

Oh, yes, you're right.

Yes, let's run him over with a forklift truck and make sure his liver pops.

Kitty, how's your nephew?

GrumpyOldHorsewoman · 14/02/2007 11:36

I am not a vengeful person, quite the opposite. But this has not just touched, but shredded a nerve for me. I am allowed to be outraged; I seldom am genuinely outraged, but in this instance I feel I could tear this bastard apart with my bare hands. After too graphic a bulletin on the radio yesterday I have visualised this little girl, who is only a bit younger than my DD, in her murdered state in my daughter's bed. That is what hearing the details of this crime has done for me. And sorry if my reaction offends you. Or wait a minute, no I'm not.

hunkermunker · 14/02/2007 11:37

FFS!

So if you're a mother, you have to believe in the death penalty and revenge killings?!

WTF kind of example is that?!

kittylette · 14/02/2007 11:37

your telling me if someone did that to YOUR child you wouldnt want to kill them??

hunkermunker · 14/02/2007 11:38

Civilised society will always have crime - it's how we deal with people who do this sort of thing that marks us out as civilised.

GrumpyOldHorsewoman · 14/02/2007 11:39

I don't actually support the death penalty, but am at a loss to think what should happen to these guilty people. I hope beyond hope of divine retribution (even though I'm not much of a 'believer' either). Failing that, a living hell for anyone who does such unspeakable things will suffice.

oliveoil · 14/02/2007 11:39

yes I am a mother, to two girls, aged 4 and 2

I am at the moment strapping them into a buggy to go and wait outside the court with a badly spelt placard saying bastards die or something. Get them started early yes?

I have no idea what I would do if someone attacked my children, what a ridiculous question.

LittleBoSheep · 14/02/2007 11:40

Not at all I dont feel the need to run over them, castrate them, put their heads on poles.

But lethal injection, straight into the vein in clinical conditions. TOTALLY

A dog rips a child to shreds...everyone calls for it to be put down - sorry I dont see the difference ...a dog is after all just an animal these people choose to cross a barrier.

kittylette · 14/02/2007 11:40

so to put this man in a cushy prison with an xbox, TV, 3 meals a day is civilised, education courses whilst that little girls mother sits reliving the day she saw her murdered daughters body is civilised?

and just injecting him with a lethal injection isnt?

mumto3girls · 14/02/2007 11:40

Hunkermunker..no that wasn't going to be my point. I couldn't kill someone ( although if someone did this to one of my children I would feel like it). I just don't understand how people can't understand the emotions and revulsion that this kind of act brings...?
Also..why call this thread 'self righteous'. Presumably noone here has done anything remotely like the crime mentioned...so we are righteous...

mumto3girls · 14/02/2007 11:42

Olive Oil..I'm just genuinely intersted in hearing a different view...

What kind of punishment do you think should be meted out to people like this?

Socci · 14/02/2007 11:43

Message withdrawn

GrumpyOldHorsewoman · 14/02/2007 11:43

There's crime and there's crime though, isn't there Hunker? A botched armed robbery where someone is killed is not the same as the rape and torture of an innocent baby even though the outcome is essentially the same i.e one death. Our responses match the crime, surely? If it doesn't we are just woolly-minded liberals masquerading as 'civilised' because we are too afraid of how our emotions make us appear to others. God forbid we should be seen to be reactionary!

hunkermunker · 14/02/2007 11:44

How am I not understanding the emotions involved with this?

I don't believe in the death penalty.

But it doesn't mean I'm not desperately sorry for the little girl and her mother - in my first post on this thread I said I was very nearly sick when I heard this the first time. It has preyed on my mind since and every time I see this thread title come up, it jolts me unpleasantly - as I say, I have a 2yo and it's unbearable to think of this happening.

But to say that I then have to want this man strung up and his bollocks torpedoed - it's a leap too far, for me, because I don't believe in the death penalty.

bundle · 14/02/2007 11:45

killing someone for killing someone else doesn't bring that person back or imo help to address why they did it. nor does it seem to put people off.

hunkermunker · 14/02/2007 11:45

So there's a hierarchy of innocent victims then, GOH, with one life "worth" more than another?

LittleBoSheep · 14/02/2007 11:45

I agree totally with the death penalty being abolished when it was, before DNA it was TOO easy to execute the wrong person.

But LOOK at the state our "civilised" society is in re-habilitation and imprisonment are NOT working - every week we read about people being released and re-offending.

hunkermunker · 14/02/2007 11:46

Yes, that too Bundle - it's not a deterrent, it's not a civilised way to behave.

Or perhaps you baying lot would want public hangings brought back? I bet you all watched Saddam executed and rubbed your hands together with glee.

expatinscotland · 14/02/2007 11:46

How can we as a society kill people to show that killing people is wrong?