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Farage speaks at Trump rally

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HPFA · 25/08/2016 07:15

This:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938

I hadn't actually thought that Nigel Farage could go lower in my estimation. But have to admit I was wrong...

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Lweji · 27/08/2016 15:38

claig

you are amazing. Almost as amazing as Trump, in fact.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 27/08/2016 15:42

What like Ken Livingstone or Diane Abbott Grin

Many in parliament didn't believe we would vote to leave I am dismayed that so many are so out of touch. But the referendum was called and the leave party struck gold with Boris. It was certainly an up yours to those in power but you have to look at what was fueling this feeling and for many it was immigration and the remain just didn't want to discuss the issue

Why I asked if you were in the states os I have family/friends on the east and west coast in largely democrat areas who feel HC will win but other areas of the states the feeling is probably very different

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 27/08/2016 15:42

Leave campaign

Not leave party ...

claig · 27/08/2016 15:51

'Many in parliament didn't believe we would vote to leave I am dismayed that so many are so out of touch.'

They are Establishment, what do you expect? That is why the people defeated them.

'It was certainly an up yours to those in power but you have to look at what was fueling this feeling and for many it was immigration and the remain just didn't want to discuss the issue'

Yes, immigration played a big part but the major part was an up yours to the Establishment who had spun and ignored and dismissed the people for too long. Cameron called UKIP members "fruitcakes" etc and that is indicative of the Establishment's attitude towards millions of people who disagree with them. They thought the BBC and the media could defeat the people forever, but the people were too smart for them.

'Why I asked if you were in the states os I have family/friends on the east and west coast in largely democrat areas who feel HC will win'

Possibly because the media is doing its best to say that Hillary will win and Trump is unpopular, but you have to understand how the Establishment works, you have to be wise to their lies and tricks, just like over Brexit, they are trying to run a narrative that it is hopeless for Trump, but we will find out what the people really think on Nov 8th and I think it will be an earthquake that will topple Establishments worldwide.

JudyCoolibar · 27/08/2016 17:20

'Trump is keeping his tactics up his sleeve? After four years????'

He plays a very long game. That's why the Establishment fear him

Come off it, do. If he genuinely had something earthshaking about Obama, he would have produced it at the time he threatened to do so and before Obama served another term as President.

claig · 27/08/2016 17:21

Good clip of the US's top Trump impersonator, John di Domenico, who says, from travelling all across the US, he thinks it will be a Trump landslide. Trump and his team are worried that the Establishment may try to rig it to save themselves. We will have to see who wins in the end.

JudyCoolibar · 27/08/2016 17:23

Another unanswered question from upthread, this time addressed to claig:

is your position really that you simply don't care how incompetent, deceitful and bigoted a candidate is so long as, in your perception, he is not one of the elite or the establishment?

claig · 27/08/2016 17:30

'is your position really that you simply don't care how incompetent, deceitful and bigoted a candidate is so long as, in your perception, he is not one of the elite or the establishment?'

Are you referring to Hillary, whom Trump called a "bigot"?

I don't think Trump is incompetent, deceitful and bigoted and I like the fact that he is going to sort the Establishment out.

claig · 27/08/2016 17:31

'Come off it, do. If he genuinely had something earthshaking about Obama, he would have produced it at the time '

I don't think he had the evidence to back up what he said so he dropped it.

JudyCoolibar · 27/08/2016 17:41

But claig, you keep telling us how Trump doesn't mean most of what he says. That is being deceitful. In fact, saying that he is about to make earth-shaking revelations about someone when it is not true is deceitful. The conduct of his campaign is spectacularly incompetent - and the failure to make good on threats/promises is another example of that. You are, I am quite sure, well aware of the numerous instances when he has shown himself to be bigoted, not least because you have been on various threads where people have posted examples. You know the saying about things that look like a duck and quack like a duck ...

claig · 27/08/2016 17:46

I think Trump will reveal lots about Hillary. We will have to wait and see. On Obama, Trump didn't have the evidence. He may have thought it would come out, but the evidence wasn't there.

claig · 27/08/2016 17:52

"Trump: I'd prosecute Clinton if I get elected"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3460204/Trump-d-prosecute-Clinton-elected-m-going-make-server-scandal-center-campaign-against-her.html

If Trump becomes President, he is going to have access to a lot of files and a lot of evidence about what has really been going on. Some of the elite are worried about what Trump will do to them with that evidence.

SwedishEdith · 27/08/2016 17:55

On Obama, Trump didn't have the evidence.

You mean he didn't have any evidence? He can just make stuff up and claim (or you're happy to believe) he doesn't have the evidence.

claig · 27/08/2016 18:00

'You mean he didn't have any evidence? '

I think he believed what he was being told by some people, but they didn't come up with evidence.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 27/08/2016 18:02

Boris and IDM also challanged the establishment most would say they are firmly placed in the establishment

Corbyn fights what he sees as the west/British establishment and will cosy himself up to those that fight against it no matter what their actions are IRA, Hamas etc

And Trump against who well anyone who speaks against him is the establishment

It's seems the word establishment and the spin of being anti establishment is just a now a term against those you are fighting against or do not support

JudyCoolibar · 27/08/2016 18:02

I think Trump will reveal lots about Hillary. We will have to wait and see.

That doesn't work. He categorically told us several weeks ago that he was imminently going to reveal something earthshaking. That's a direct claim that he already had the information and was about to produce it. Manifestly, it was yet another lie, produced in a rather desperate attempt to smear Hillary Clinton. Just as was the case with Obama when he made exactly the same claim when, as you have admitted, he didn't have evidence. He's a liar.

SwedishEdith · 27/08/2016 18:04

I think he believed what he was being told by some people, but they didn't come up with evidence.

Sounds like all of his fans.

"I think they believed what they were being told by him, but he didn't come up with evidence."

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 27/08/2016 18:05

And that is fine he accepted such information and went public with it without seeing any evidence at all

I guess he was playing the establishment at their own game Hmm

claig · 27/08/2016 18:08

'Boris and IDM also challanged the establishment most would say they are firmly placed in the establishment'

Boris is, but I don't think IDM is. IDM took them on and was annoyed that Andrea Leadsom dropped out after the Establishment's tricks. IDM stood up to them and is still insisting that we must accept the will of the people and leave the EU, unlike some of the Establishment who seem to be hoping they can stay in a looser union.

'It's seems the word establishment and the spin of being anti establishment is just a now a term'

No, even the Establishment media has had to recognise and accept and discuss it, as the BBC now does, because they all know that is what it is really all about, and that is why their message is no longer believed by the public or the Corbynistas or many other people, and that is why they are losing control of the people.

claig · 27/08/2016 18:12

'He categorically told us several weeks ago that he was imminently going to reveal something earthshaking. '

I think he still will. It's a matter of timing. The pundits say that the electorate in the States don't really take notice of the election until after Labor Day. I'm not sure when that is, but after that, I think things will hot up as Trump takes the gloves off and takes it to them, to the delight of Trump fans.

'And that is fine he accepted such information and went public with it without seeing any evidence at all '

That is Trump. He shoots from the hip. That is his style, that is why he is so popular and is so unlike a "career politician".

Lweji · 27/08/2016 18:30

I think Trump will reveal lots about Hillary

There have been two areas that have come out.
15000 emails, but only somewhat meh, about foundation donors sending emails. Some didn't get what they asked for, others went through proper channels.

Then the ridiculous claims about her health.

I imagine anything else will be similar.
Republicans could have been with a chance, had it not been for Trump.

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 27/08/2016 18:31

The BBC reports news

With it being the political agenda of some at the moment and the spin that is being used why would they not report it

Though in the states it's widely believed by some in my family that the BBC are a commie organisation it's on the news and everything

claig · 27/08/2016 18:40

'Republicans could have been with a chance, had it not been for Trump.'

No, because of demographics and the electoral college advantage that the Democrats always enjoy and the fact that most real Republicans, not elites and insiders, have no time for puppets of the Establishment any more, the Republicans stand no chance without Trump. Trump is the anti-politician which is why he will beat the politicians.

Showmethewaytogohome · 27/08/2016 19:27

Oh For Gods sake not the 'establishment' gumpf again

OK lets do this in Bingo styly. Establishment. Common people. Elites. Anti-politician. Left wing agenda. Bias Medja. Oxbridge. PPE. Honest. Straight talking.

Have I missed any other words? I will counter yours with mine. Fascists. Authoritarian. Elites. Populist. Dangerous. Uneducated. Devious Racist. Misogynist. White. Male. Privileged. Putins Puppets

That cuts to the chase - HOUSE!

In other news who is the best dressed Trump or Farage. I think Farages 1930's black market dealer look wins for me. Wadda ya think?

claig · 27/08/2016 19:34

'Have I missed any other words?'

You have missed the words "puppet" and "stooge" of which the Establishment is stuffed full of.

' I think Farages 1930's black market dealer look wins for me. Wadda ya think?'

It is not polite to make fun of people's dress sense. This is not in tune with Corbyn's "kinder, gentler politics".

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