Farage speaks at Trump rally

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This:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37177938

I hadn't actually thought that Nigel Farage could go lower in my estimation. But have to admit I was wrong...

Oh Corbyn's a different type of politics

No spin and no lies

'No spin and no lies'

I think some overactive, extra keen Oxbridge types probably advised him to do some injudicious things that he would not have dreamed of doing himself. Spin and lies are not part of Corbyn's modus operandi. Any spin that Corbyn may have committed will near as dammit have Oxbridge fingerprints all over it.

He has power now, supporters that hang on his every word and likes it. A man who has always voted against the EU suddenly thinks it might be better (just) to remain. If he had supported leave he wouldn't have been able to keep his position as leader of the Labour Party and that was more important to him

Principles so easily forgotten

Nobody takes Trump seriously anymore. He says whatever he wants, with no notion of how to implement it, or back it up. Which is why he won't win.

His hardcore fans don't care what he says, but everyone else can see him for what he is.

'Principles so easily forgotten'

Enthusiasm, I agree with you. Corbyn has been disappointing, as has McDonnell. They should have had teh courage to sort out the stooges and should have stuck to their principles. I am not sure they are up to what is required and they have let a lot of people down already, but there is always hope they may grow a backbone and do a real job.

Corbyn - now I really have PMSL

It's funny how even Farage's dress sense is something to be protected. Really? Why is it not funny.....Look at this one

You know comedy doesn't exist in authoritarian regimes ?

Oh and give Nige the nod re kinder gentler politics for us - and why you are at it maybe Trump. Here's a good one of of the oompa loompa anti politician puppet stooge

'You know comedy doesn't exist in authoritarian regimes ?'

Then why was Norman Wisdom a megastar in communist Albania, revered to this day as one of the funniest men to walk the planet? I don't get it, but they did.

Wow.

Pulling, At, Straws. Chapin I am sure was also seen as funny. That type is called slapstick

Shall I clarify? Satirical comedy. They type that actually takes the mikey out of politicians - like I have regarding Farages clothing (poor lamb)

Hope you find one of those for your evidence i.e. that dissenting comedy is allowed in authoritarian regimes commenting aginats those regimes. And when I say allowed I mean not persecuted, imprisoned, hounded, threatened and worse

Norman Wisdom? Hardly Bill Hicks is he?

'Norman Wisdom? Hardly Bill Hicks is he?'

Absolutely, just as Owen Smith is hardly Corbyn. Hicks was anti-establishment, so are Trump, farage and Corbyn. Owen Smith is not. Owen Smith seems to have a remarkable resemblance to Norman Wisdom in that every time he opens his mouth he seems to stumble and put his foot in it. No one had heard of Owen Smith a month ago, and now everyone's first impression of Owen Smith is someone who is constantly apologising for what he says, something he calls "colourful language" but which everyone apart from the BBC calls offensive.

No one had heard of Owen Smith a month ago and after some of the "colourful language" he has come out with, everyone wishes it had remained that way.

I think you maybe at risk of mixing arguments again

Twas asking about satire within an authoritarian regime - that ties in with the thread and Farage and Trump - and their sartorial elegance

Dunno why Smith et al are connected

Corbyn has repeatedly told Owen Smith to pack it in and that his "colourful language" has no place in the Labour "kinder, gentler politics" that Corbyn has insisted that the Blairites follow, but Owen Smith , true to form , always knows best and keeps blundering on insulting all and sundry and excusing it by saying he is not "the finished article".

'Dunno why Smith et al are connected'

Smith is the epitome of Establishment i.e. opposite to Trump, Farage, Corbyn and the people.

Nope still waiting for the satirical comedians that can exist under authoritarian regimes

This is a thread about Farage and Trump. Not Corbyn and Smith

Damn! forgot to add Blairite

Trump and Farage are anti-establishment, as is Corbyn to a lesser degree.

Trump calls himself "Mr Brexit", and invited the real Mr Brexit, Farage, the bane of the Establishment and its stooges, to address a Trump rally, and Owen Smith might as well call himself "Mr Establishment" as he tries his best to be "Mr Undo Brexit and save the Establishment's bacon" and "I know what's best for the British people even though they voted out".

"Enver Hoxha, the Albanian dictator, believed Wisdom to be a subversive master satirist whose Pitkin character, by overcoming management oppression, reveals the horror of the capitalist menace."

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/comedy/8045362/Norman-Wisdom-A-fond-Farewell-to-the-fall-guy.html

I will play along ....for a bit.....Wisdom was a slapstick comedian who lived in a democracy. If you sited Chaplin as being blacklisted for being pro communist under McCarthy I would have been more impressed as that was a dark time for the USA - which would be repeated under Trump btw or Farage's ideal state

Re Smith - this isn't his thread. Nor is it Corbyns

Does anti-establishment mean authoritarian? As both Trump and Farage are - and are also fascist. If you would rather crypto-fascist I am happy to agree for the sake of agreement just for today

Wtf, just come back to this thread and now Norman Wisdom!'s spirit has been invoked
One could argue that Trump, Farage and Putin are the postmodernist, dystopian version of the Marx Brothers

Showmethewaytogohome, on your establishment bingo (claig version), you missed:
wonks
whizzkids

Nobody takes Trump seriously anymore.

Not even his running "mate" stooge

One could argue that Trump, Farage and Putin are the postmodernist, dystopian version of the Marx Brothers

They were four. We need to find a Harpo. :)

Lweji you know your comedians better than me any suggestions who could be number 4?

'Does anti-establishment mean authoritarian? '

Absolutely not which is why Farage and UKIP want direct democracy, local democracy and local referendums on issues with more than 2 or 5 % popular support. Trump says the "system is rigged", rigged by the Establishment and its stooges who deny a democratic voice to the people as they do with the super delegate system in the US that allows the elites to override the will of the people and allows the party bigwigs to choose candidates that the donors and lobbyists approve of. It is teh same here with the Labour NEC removing the right to vote for the leader from many members. Trump, Farage and Corbyn want to end the rigged system, end the rule of the elites and the Oxbridge teams of cronies and as Corbyn says "break their magic circle". Anti-establishment is about taking power off the Establishment and its stooges and returning it to the people, it is populist, it is referendums where a "Mr Establishment" Owen Smith can't ignore the will of the people because he feels he knows what is best for us.

Anti-establishment was Brexit where we defied the stooges and "took back control" as Gove said, and denied the Establishment the ability to get their way. We beat them in a referendum, that is why they don't liek referendums. they say we are too stupid and like Owen Smith that they know best. But we don't believe them or the BBC and their stooges. the Corbynistas are reading the Canary above the New Statesman probably because they can all spot Establishment spin.

Anti-establishment is pro the people, pro democracy, and end to their rigged system that Trump will deliver.

OrsonWellsHat

Oh, I don't know...

Corbyn! Corbyn is Harpo Soz Corbyn fans but got to be done

Lweji Thanks - I will add to the bingo but what are wonks I wonder?