Germany :(

[nuttymango]

And now Germany - an axeman has attacked people on a train.
BBC breaking news - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36827725

You clearly aren't a statistician or a mathematician Dontpokemon and I'm not going to waste my typing on why your dubious use of numbers is complete bollocks.

fanjoforthemammaries - "Funny how that's a different slant to it isn't it."

An extremely limited and uninformative slant, yes. I take it you have no answer to the statistical point? You'll be Googling a long time trying to find one.

And how many Germans stab their pregnant ex-girlfriend in the street? Again, I'll wait while you Google.

OhYouBadBadKitten - "I'm not going to waste my typing on why your dubious use of numbers is complete bollocks"

I see you have no response either. Funny how hard you find it to deal with facts.

It is pathetic. Crimes are committed by all kinds of people every day and their background is not mentioned as they are not relevant.

Exactly. Only when it suits some people's Islamaphobic mindset is their background mentioned.

I actually CBA arguing with someone with such entrenchedly distasteful views tbh.

Second comment was to dontpokemon.

same here. Sorry Dontpokemon, it's just not worth engaging with you any more, there's more to life than arguing with people who set out to be constantly and deliberately unpleasant.

fanjoforthemammaries - "I actually CBA arguing with someone with such entrenchedly distasteful views tbh"

I apologize profusely for citing news and facts from reputable sources (not the Daily Mail) on a thread that concerns the news in Germany. Next time I'll stick my fingers in my ears and say "it's not happening, it's not happening!", 'cos that's a much more productive way of analysing the world.

fanjo Regarding the stabbings of a woman and her three daughters in the Alps the magistrate said that there was no political or religious ideological motivation BUT that there was a cultural and religious background to the crime. HTH.

By the way, OhYouBad, we all know that if you had a snappy answer to my facts, you'd be engaging with me and knocking down my inaccuracies all the way. But you know you don't, so the CBA card comes out.

You just quote me back then make a smart arsed sneering comment repeatedly. Doesn't make you right.

fanjoforthemammaries - "Doesn't make you right."

So prove me wrong. Just try to make a logical argument with all the available facts you have at hand. I'm ready to be persuaded. If you have an theory of your own that will educate us all, why keep it to yourself?

I'm going to refuse as I need to sleep and am working first thing. And as I said I CBA engaging with you.

Undoubtedly you will paint this as me having no argument.

Fill your boots :)

fanjoforthemammaries

I will, thanks .

One last point: I don't know what the explanation for this increased rate of violence is. It could be that they are young men, it could be that they are traumatized, it could be their culture, it could be that their families abused them, it could be their religion, it could be mental health issues, it could be a combination of all or none of these things.

But suppressing facts because they could lead to uncomfortable conclusions is to deny the use of reason and free speech that makes our societies what they are.

Noone is stating facts though, just making prejudiced assumptions.
Goodnight!

I can't keep up with this thread! It's generating more heat than light at this point.

Do immigrants commit more crimes statistically? Do Muslims commit crimes against the person at a higher rate than the rest of the population? It seems to be implied in some of the comments, but I have never read this anywhere. On the other hand, I am sure that I have read that immigrants do commit crimes at a higher rate than the general populations. If this is true, I would guess it is because immigrants tend to skew young and male, and young men are statistically the most likely people to be criminal.

I think, concerns about terrorism, mask an uneasiness about cultural change. A worry that as more immigrants come and immigrant families have higher birth rates our society will change in ways that are uncomfortable for the natives. Islam is a muscular, proselytising religion. Some of the beliefs, values and behaviours can be very challenging for both secular Europeans and more traditional Christian Europeans. I think this is at the base of a lot of the unease, while it is more social acceptable to expressive this unease as a fear of terrorism. We can all agree that ISIS is bad and killing and torturing people is wrong. Admitting that you don't want a Saudi funded mosque with a minaret high than the old cathedral, or that interacting with another mother at a soft play area with her face covered but for her eyes is frustrating is much, much harder.

There's been an explosion in the German city of Ansbach near the entrance to an event that had 2000 people in attendance. The mayor has confirmed it was caused by an explosive device, 1 dead (probably the attacker) and 10 injured

Link regarding the aforementioned explosion in Germany www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3706063/Explosion-reported-near-Nuremberg-Germany-one-killed-newspaper.html

(sorry for DM link)

It shouldn't be harder to admit being Islamophobic about all Muslims in general you mean?

Well in an ideal world it should.

Looks like you all might finally all have your attack you were hoping to justify your positions then.

I note the Mail is trying to link it in to the two other attacks whcih weren't Islamist. Shameful rag.

Obviously I would never accuse anyone of being glad deaths occurred. But some people have a position and will leap on this to justify it

Fanjo - I'm trying not to be judgemental about this situation, but I just can't. All the extremely sensible warnings about the dangers of opening Germany's borders to a million unvetted migrants were met with stupid cries of "bigot" and "racist" and now the country is locked in a tragic situation that is as heartbreaking as it was predictable. I only hope the open-borders ideologues have the decency to feel shame about what they've unleashed, and that Germany and Europe can recover.

Sadly the Würzburg/Ansbach attacks will add to the anti- Merkel sentiment with the latter perpetrator turning out to be a Syrian refugee. (He had been refused asylum and had tried to kill himself before allegedly)
With respect to the authorities they have been very careful here recently about not jumping to conclusions following the fact that the knife attack in May was carried out by a German with mental health problems.
The careful reporting however leads directly to accusations of cover-ups and the government trying to underplay problems (New Year harassment/sexual harassment in pools etc).
I live in Nuremberg and have to say that the Würzburg and Ansbach attacks have unsettled me. Recent events as a whole however raise questions regarding access to and quality of psychiatric care rather than just blaming immigration policy. The Munich shootings were woefully initially misreported and had nothing to do with immigration (although one could debate integration/identity and self-esteem/racism until the cows come home).

My god, Kimmy - "sadly ... anti-Merkel sentiment"? Germans are suffering under mass axe attack and now suicide bombing, and you don't think they have a right to ask their leader "what the fuck are you doing gambling with our lives?"

Don't
Do you live here?
Do you just want to vent?
There are many who share your views over at Toytown Germany. They would love to hear from you I'm sure.
As for my fellow citizens, there are many who won't vote for Angie again and many that continue to support her.
But talking about predictability and shame makes you sound like Donald Trump so I'm out, thanks.

That's right, let's get angry at Donald Trump (not someone I support btw) rather than Angela Merkel. All of this was predicted last year and was dismissed out of hand by happy-clappy Gutmenschen. Wir schaffen das? Reality has now caught up with that criminally naive rubbish.