Germany :(

[nuttymango]

And now Germany - an axeman has attacked people on a train.
BBC breaking news - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36827725

One major way society could contribute more constructively to a relatively peaceful and successful contemporary diverse society is for the News Media to stop painting non-white, non European and in the UK non-white, non Brits as monstrous people who are here to rape and kill you or, at the least make use of your public facilities.Sadly, as much as I love social media, online communication provides an immense platform for online hate that spills into real life. Twitter and reader feedback on News sites are brilliant but they are all about sound bytes, perfect for painting a simplistic picture of social events & phenomena.

user1469379762 - "One major way society could contribute more constructively to a relatively peaceful and successful contemporary diverse society is for the News Media to stop painting non-white, non European and in the UK non-white, non Brits as monstrous people who are here to rape and kill you or, at the least make use of your public facilities."

I honestly can't tell if this is a parody or whether you actually think a totalitarian state is desirable. What exactly should the news report on days like today when "non-whites" or "non-Europeans" do happen to commit violent crimes? Should they cover it up? Have you heard of the free press? A free society? Reality? Do any of these words ring a bell?

Interesting Helmet. Certainly there must have been a set of complex reasons, some of which we will never know about but one thing is for sure, he was no Islamist whatsoever, rather he idolised and identified with a Neo-Nazi killer to the extend that he represented himself with his photographic image.

Imagine if his Whats app avatar had been Jihadi john..... what conclusion would people draw immediately? Regarding the Norwegian Neo-Nazi German police have said there may be links which they are investigating however I do not believe that the Munich killer was politically motivated in the way Breivik was rather that he hated other people with migration background, possibly cos he had been bullied by them. It is so tragic and just shows how mixed up identities have become when you have an Iranian German youngster claim he is German whilst hating other ethnic minorities and idolising a Neo-Nazi killer. But this is our world, our Europe now. We will never go back to how it was in the post war era. We will have to learn to get along. Media and politicians but each and everyone one of us is responsible for finding solutions. I don't think it will be easy though, far from it.

Dont Do you think the Daily Mail is painting a realistic picture or are they selling a narrative of hate?
Did I say anywhere there should be censorship, a totalitarian state? Responsible and balanced reporting based on facts is better but a narrative nonetheless. It's all about how facts are framed. Right-wing media = inflammatory, especially in the UK.

What exactly should the news report on days like today when "non-whites" or "non-Europeans" do happen to commit violent crimes? Should they cover it up?

I haven't seen many reports of violent crimes where the attackers are routinely described as white, British. Yet the vast majority are (in Britain, obviously.)

So, yes, giving ethnic details only when it isn't white, British is racist.

How come you haven't gone on a fulminating rampage about white British men, Dont, since they commit the majority of violent crimes here?

user1469379762 - "Right-wing media = inflammatory, especially in the UK."

And so what would your left-wing version of today's events be, then? "A man stabbed a woman"? Very informative.

GarlicStake

"How come you haven't gone on a fulminating rampage about white British men, Dont, since they commit the majority of violent crimes here?"

Have any committed two mass stabbings this week? No, they haven't, so I'm discussing the news that has actually happened, not your fantasy news.

the Munich killer primarily killed 'foreign' teenagers and shouted “Fucking Turks!” at the people filming him on the balcony whilst insisting he is German.
That's not true, read the transcript it is actually the person on the balcony who made the anti turk remark, to which the gunman replied "I'm German".
Looking at the photos of the gunman it is plainly ridiculous to try and make out this is some right wing Nazi attack and very dishonest.

Your message appears to be: this recent inflow of people has made Germany and Europe less safe, but we can't do anything about it so better to shut up and accept it quietly. I find this so wrong. How about, for example, not allowing any more people in until we can at least attempt to integrate the ones already here? Or let's just carry on until we are in a state of civil war? Because make no mistake, that is where Europe is heading towards if things continue as they are.

We do not exactly have an unbiased press Watching Murdoch's overt manipulation and power is terrifying in its own right.

I love the irony that on a thread in a forum called "In the news", so many posters are so desperate to discuss anything, literally anything other than the actual news. They're even suggesting imaginary news for us to talk about, because the reality does not compute with their ideology.

I think Kim Jon-un is hiring, if anyone's interested.

"We do not exactly have an unbiased press confused Watching Murdoch's overt manipulation and power is terrifying in its own right."

Damn, you're correct - even the Guardian's gone far right and is mentioning the murderer's background and everything, not to mention other recent attacks: www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/man-with-machete-kills-woman-in-southern-germany

Ban the far right Guardian now!

Oh we want domestic murders in the uk, committed by men, that actually happened this week, do we?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36834293
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-36846242

And that's just the two I remember.

Out of curiosity I searched for stabbing in Google news. I counted 7 or 8 in the UK in the last 24 hours. Only one mentioned the colour of the criminals (white)
None of these crimes are acceptable. But it is so common place that they only make local news.

Man stabbed in Shipley. A 45-year-old man has been arrested, no mention of his looks or ethicity.

Mario Albino Te has been charged with murder after a stabbing in an east London park. Bit of a forrin name there, perhaps you should leap to some conclusions.

2 serious stabbings in South London, no mention of suspects yet. Why not tell the police they were probably done by immigrants?

Officers want to speak to a white teenager aged 17 or 18 in connection with a random stabbing in Huddersfield.

These are all in the last couple of days, and only a few of them - there have been loads this weekend. It's utterly ridiculous to say that immigration's causing increased violent crime - it simply isn't. There are plenty of home-grown criminals everywhere you look.

Also bear in mind how many of our home-growns commit violent assaults and rape while on holiday in Spain & Greece.

Nice Googling - now adjust for the relative size of the populations carrying out those attacks in relation to the number of people they killed or wounded. You do understand statistics, right?

Didn't require any googling, I've posted on the thread here about dv murders. Cause I actually really give a shit, rather than just trying to prove a point or win an argument

Don'tpokemon you really are sounding like you positively wish there to be an Islamic slant to all attacks sorry.

For the hard of thinking - no one is saying that white people / Europeans do not commit crime, since that would be an insane assertion. What should be reported is that in the last week in Germany, the number of knife woundings / murders committed by migrants is far out of proportion with what it has been in the recent past, and probably also far out of proportion with the rate at which the ethnic German population commits those crimes.

That is news. That needs to be reported and discussed. But all some people on here seem to be capable of is "whites/Europeans do crime too, duh, duh, gotcha!". Like I say, it would be as insane to deny that as it would be to suppress the reality of what has happened this week.

Beyond - Very frustrating that the Spalding murders were described as a "domestic" and the killer to be "among the dead". I wish they'd say a man murdered his wife & daughter before shooting himself. It feels like it isn't quite murder if you were married to them

fanjoforthemammaries - "Don'tpokemon you really are sounding like you positively wish there to be an Islamic slant to all attacks sorry."

And you sound as if you want to suppress discussion of any attack in which the murderer isn't carrying a signed set of instructions from the head of IS. Believe it or not, there is a middle ground between thinking "this is just a human being and any further context is forbidden" and "every foreigner who commits a crime is an trained insurgent sent straight from headquarters".

Again on the statistics point – there were approximately one million recent migrant arrivals in Germany in the last year (www.wsj.com/articles/german-asylum-seekers-influx-slows-but-still-high-1467975173) out a total population of some 82.2 million as of 2016 (www.finchannel.com/index.php/world/58549-eu-population-up-to-slightly-over-510-million-at-1-january-2016).

This week, there were two knife attacks by recent migrants, leaving at least 6 wounded and 1 dead. To be proportional, the rest of the German population would have had to have wounded at least 492 and killed 82 in knife attacks this week.

They didn’t. Therefore this is news. So by all means be polite in discussing it, and offer some constructive means of dealing with the problem, but suppressing it is not going to cut it.

But all some people on here seem to be capable of is "whites/Europeans do crime too, duh, duh, gotcha!"

It is pathetic. Crimes are committed by all kinds of people every day and their background is not mentioned as they are not relevant. Its when we are talking about specific types of crimes - for example the mass assaults in Cologne- that these thing are highly relevant and need to be discussed to prevent them happening again. However certain people are more interested in being politically correct than preventing crime, and bring up anything else to distract from what has occurred.

Another attack in Germany. Syrian refugee killed a pregnant woman with a knife and injured two others before some one knocked him down with a car.

Yes apparently his ex girlfriend. Then he ran into road.

Funny how that's a different slant to it isn't it.

You can be "politically correct" and still prevent crime bumblebee.

It's not necessary to be a big ole bigot to do so.