Germany :(

[nuttymango]

And now Germany - an axeman has attacked people on a train.
BBC breaking news - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36827725

Just non sympathetic to people who use the attacks as an excuse to be racially offensive like they always wanted to be.

Yes it's sadohyou isn't it.

fanjoforthemammaries

"If you're saying I am sympathetic to murderers then that is simply laughable and ridiculous."

I have no desire to be rude to them, I just want them kept out of Europe. Tell me, how many knife attacks by recent asylum seekers do there have to be before you will consider strict border controls so that Germany can process and vet newcomers in order to protect their citizens from being hacked to death? We're on two so far in the last week. That's not imaginary, it's stone-cold fact.

And that's related how to your sneery comment about the use of pejorative language?

fanjo - "And that's related how to your sneery comment about the use of pejorative language?"

Because innocents are being FUCKING MURDERED on a daily basis, and the apologists are most concerned that people not be rude about the perpetrators, that's why.

For the record, I have no interest in insulting or abusing them - I want them stopped.

You can be appalled by murders and also by racism.

It's pretty dim to think that equates to being an apologist tbh.

You arent more outraged than me.

Being rude about the perpetrators but not about all Muslims in general isn't that hard.

Also have just read there is no proven connection to Islamic terrorism as of yet. So will refrain from commenting further.

indy100.independent.co.uk/article/everyone-must-read-this-post-about-the-munich-shooting-and-rightwing-extremism--ZyxgPR9QH8b

I don't understand this (new?) idea that shooting several random people in a public place like a restaurant and shopping centre is NOT terrorism.

I have just reregistered with MN apologies for the dodgy user name, I don't seem to be able to change it.

I am delurking having followed this thread for a few days. My dm is German and I have family living in Germany.

I am shocked and appalled with the racist undertone of this thread.

The man who murdered the pregnant woman in Baden Wuertenberg today was a Syrian asylum seeker who was absolutely out of it according to reports. Terrible and sickening.

The man who intervened and run the killer over with his BMW was a Turkish bloke. If this Turkish man had not run the killer over, perhaps more people would have been injured in the attack. to this young man with migration background who is most likely a Muslim.

There are good and bad ones among all people, which sort of goes without saying. Germany needs immigrants and we welcome them. Is it easy? No way. People who come from deprived countries and look and act foreign can be really annoying because their mannerism is not always as it we are used to, they are obtrusive and different. They are not in work and linger so people are ware of them. Of course there is increased crime too.

But that is the world we live in it cannot be reversed. We must learn to live together even if it isn't easy. There won't be a STASI style wall between Europe and the rest of the world.

The guy who went on a rampage on Friday was an Iranian, German born right-wing nut who idolised Neo-Nazi killer Anders Breivik. He was apparently bullied by fellow pupils who were Turks and Arabs. The young people he shot mostly had migration backgrounds, form Kosovo, Turkey etc.

The killer considered himself German and said explicitly that the attack had nothing to do with being a Muslim. His name David indicates he was not a Muslim.

I have noticed there are posters on this thread who want to keep brown people with headscarves and beards out of Europe. Some of these posters sound extremely invested sending post after post after post saying how terrible these brown people with headscarves and breads are and that we all must be afraid, very afraid. Fear makes people do horrible, violent and irrational things. Please consider this.

There are issues with integration, politicians and society needs to do more so people can live peacefully. Because live together we must. Muslims and brown people will not leave Europe, more will come and the world has changed due to globalisation. That's a fact it cannot be reversed. Lets' try and deal with the challenges constructively, a Euro wall will never be built and the 'scary' foreigners are inside Europe now. Most of them are fine, some are not. We only hear about the bad ones. There is no such thing as race, we are all the human race. times are more troubling now than in the last few decades in Western Europe we need to find a way to live together peacefully. Sterotyping brown people or people who wear hi jabs and other traditional clothing is so very destructive and does not take into account the global, diverse world we live in. We are all HUMAN BEINGS, some of us are evil and a bit of a waste of space most are just getting on with their lives. Let's have peace, not hate.

Nice post, user146

The Munich shootings were nothing to do with right wing facism afaik. Wasn't the killer recorded on camera saying it was revenge for bullying? The latest one we don't know about. IS claimed responsibility for the train massacre and then there was the stabbing of the mother and her 3 children in France by a Muslim man who took offence at her husband scratching his thigh in front of his wife. And of course the Nice massacre the week before.
And that's just Europe of course.

Yes I am a bit mystified at this right wing labelling. The evidence is scant. Were the 9/11 killers right wing supremacist because they murdered several non white people or is Munich, (and especially where this boy hung out) like London a multi cultural place?

Apparently the Munich murderer has been making racist remarks before. But that's by the by. He acted on his own, this was organised terrorism. We've no idea about the motives of today's murdere either. However it should be possible to condemn these murders without blaming all immigrants

Bild says that the pregnant woman he murdered was a Polish colleague whom he had fallen in love with -they worked in the same fast food place. Not sure if they had a relationship or if it was unrequited. Horrible thing to happen anyway, the poor woman.

i live a few km from Reutlingen, I know that street and Doner shop. the press here are saying the man and woman were arguing at a bus stop where he attacked her and the other 2 people and then ran across the street, where he was run over. I will hazard a guess it was a domestic, and the Syrian refugee part is a red herring. As it is with München also.

Regarding the right-wing labelling: the Munich killer had a photo of Breivik as his Whats App avatar, the attack was on the 5th anniversary of Breiviks killing spree, the Munich killer primarily killed 'foreign' teenagers and shouted “Fucking Turks!” at the people filming him on the balcony whilst insisting he is German. The nationality of the victims:
2 germans, 3 Turks, 1 Kosovan, one Greek, one stateless and one Hungarian.

German police suggest there is a strong likelihood of an association between Breivik's attack and this one. Obviously he was clinically depressed also and was undergoing psychotherapy at the time of the shooting.

This is not so much the point though. I feel compelled to post here just to ask people to remember that the majority of people of all ethnicities and backgrounds are law-abiding, normal. Europe is diverse up as is our whole world. What are we gonna do with this? Hate? Stereotype? Detest? Or positively challenge?

Sorry one last thing to say. Women in Germany are more careful now because of sexist attitudes of many young men with migration background. Today's murder was 'domestic' but my cousins don't walk home alone anymore when they can avoid it. How can society deal with this? We must find ways.

" then there was the stabbing of the mother and her 3 children in France by a Muslim man who took offence at her husband scratching his thigh in front of his wife"

the prosecutor said there was absolutely NO religious motivation behind that attack at all. It was a malicious rumour.

and the Munich attack did not have ISIS links. And it looks like this one doesn't.

yet people are openly saying it does, including the media. Shameful and incitement to racial hatred IMO

ISIS hatred, fine, they deserve it anyway. But people should wait before spouting off about motives.

User146, I read that there was no evidence of political motivation nor of targeting of specific groups...he also was obsessed with high school massacres and visited the site of one...unless there is now more Information, to me, this still doesn't sound like a 'right wing' attack.