UK woman convicted of abortion

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Full story here www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-given-suspended-sentence-for-having-abortion-in-the-uk-a6968676.html

Very sad. Is there a will in NI to update legislation on this issue? As it stands everyone loses

Can I ask something then, is abortion illegal in Southern Ireland?

Yes, under the 8th amendment of their constitution.

There is a large social movement to repeal the 8th

Gone

your point seems to be that the flatmates had a certain set of beliefs and emotions about abortion and therefore we are not entitled to judge them as they were only being true to themselves.

I was raised to be kind to those in trouble, to think "there but for the grace of god go I" when people are struggling, to think the sermon on the mount is an accurate description of how to live a good life (Did you "shop me to the police when I committed a crime" isn't included strangely enough) and to dislike people who seek vengeance (I had lovely kind christian parents) so I also have a set of beliefs and emotions and mine tell me these flatmates are nasty, vindictive, self-satisfied, and mean-spirited. Whitened sepulcres as it were. I know many many people who are not pro-choice but would still not have reported this girl because they have essential human decency which these 2 flatmates clearly lack, You'll be fine with me saying all this because these are MY beliefs and I am entitled to them.

I have had a miscarriage at 12 weeks. There wasn't a victim, I didn't have a baby and I didn't have to dispose of a body. The language you use which sounds like a crime novel (disposing of the body!) tells a lot about your attitudes.

makingmiracles this page might help with the history.

And btw my reaction to the pregnancy was because I did not have the finances to look after a third child. That I wanted to go back to uni. That I already had a 1yo and a 3yo. The 3yo was and still is non verbal with a global developmental delay. He was being assessed for autism and I was trying to get him into a SEN preschool. The very clingy 1yo had only just started sleeping through the night and I had finally regained some semblance of normality after PND and I felt like me again.

But yeah, my mental state. My reaction to a pregnancy was totally cos I'm abnormal psychologically and lack the right mummy feelings.

Southern Ireland is not a recognised entity, it's the Republic of Ireland.

Have a look at Tudor policy on Ireland and weep

Makingmiracles I'm in two minds as to whether you're taking the piss or not.

But I'm going to assume that it's a genuine question. The reason that part of Ireland is 'Ireland' and part of it it in the UK is because there was an act of parliament in the 1920s that made it so. And it was all tied up under the Good Friday agreement in 1998.

(Now, obviously there are huge issues over how people in N Ireland perceive themselves, or if they would prefer to be British or Irish. But that is a whole other issue. )

Jacob I'm sorry, I think you've been spoken to very badly on this thread

Jacob I also think you have been spoken to horribly.

Jacob, you do not, and never did have to, justify your reasons for having a termination.
Flowers are too twee, but you get the message, I hope.

They do seem to feel that she should have had access to an abortion, but ultimately they have decided on a course of action that will make it less likely that DIY abortions can happen; given that they are still wondering if the foetus was alive when it was born, and if it suffered, I can understand why going to the police felt like the most humane course of action. The way that the woman was acting made it very difficult for them to see her as the victim, compared to the baby.

Humane in what way, gone? How did the flatmates think going to the police would help anyone, or solve anything? They didn't, they wanted the woman to be punished because she wasn't remorseful enough, so they called the police.

They turn a blind eye rightly Jacob to you too, you should never have to feel you have to explain yourself to anyone. I was lucky to have that support there. It was one of the most difficult, loneliest experiences of my life, not helped by having to be away somewhere else.

Poor woman. I hope this is over soon so that she can move on with her life.

I was going to report gone's nasty, nasty posts but decided it would be better to let them stand, so people can see how warped are some anti-abortionists mind sets.

Though I'm quite happy to report them if you think they're beyond the pale, jacob.

compared to the baby.

There was no baby, you imbecile.

Thank you (I don't mind a bit of twee). I'm not ashamed and neither will I be shamed into silence for what I did. I stand by all the choices I made. Ive shared my story before, but under a different name, and the understanding and compassion far outweighs any callousness.

Thanks again.

And let the comments stand. They deserve to be out there and subject to scrutiny.

This is terrible. Them flat mates should be ashamed of them selfes, they have lied through there teeth as a 10 week fetus doesn't have fingers and toes neither would they be able to tell the sex, if they were not so small minded and thick they could have had a google what the fetus would have looked like before they started talking ball shit.

I too reported one particularly nasty post.
Jacob

Haven't posted on this yet but I think the poster ^ who referred to the flatmates as whited sepulchres has it. And if they have convinced themselves their objection was on religious grounds - Jesus had rather a lot to say about smug judgey people with an over-inflated sense of their own virtue.

Is this the first time a women from ni has been convicted for an abortion? Eg will it set a prescendant or have there been cases before where women have received jail or suspended sentences?

Gone, how do you reconcile your defence of the flatmates' consciences with the fact that those consciences apparently permitted them to lie repeatedly about another person?

Gone, I'm also wondering how you feel the flatmates should have acted if, like Savita Halappanavar, the woman was facing inevitable miscarriage but had been refused an abortion. Suppose she had taken pills to force the abortion to happen and to avert her own death from sepsis - should their consciences have prompted them to report her?

Is this the first time a women from ni has been convicted for an abortion? Eg will it set a prescendant or have there been cases before where women have received jail or suspended sentences?

I believe it is the first time a conviction has been secured. There is another case due very soon before the courts under the same law, where a mother procured abortificent drugs for her daughter.

I wonder at the role of Customs in this whole debacle - I know at one point in the Republic of Ireland they focused on Parcel Motel and these drugs specifically, which is how they were being brought into the country. For a while, women were being advised not to use that service as Customs in Ireland were seizing so many of the packages. I am a bit vague on the details, simply because i never heard them fully, only whispers, but that sums up the whole abortion experience in Ireland (both North and RoI it would seem).

Don't Sometimes they are seized, but some people have them sent to somebody in NI and then they post them on or hand them over to the person who needs them. I'm not 100% on it but I think there was a poster in pregnancy choices who was asking for help in this respect.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/second-northern-irish-woman-to-stand-trial-on-abortion-charges-a6972726.html

I don't know dontlaugh. this happened but nothing seemed to become of it

she needed compassion not this no one will ever understand what drives folk to such measures .poor lass.