UK woman convicted of abortion

[Veterinari]

Full story here www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/woman-given-suspended-sentence-for-having-abortion-in-the-uk-a6968676.html

Very sad. Is there a will in NI to update legislation on this issue? As it stands everyone loses

[OvariesBeforeBrovaries]

Reading more interviews by the scum who reported her.

That's all they are. Scum. Nothing can redeem them for what they've done. Fucking vindictive bitches.

[gonetoseeamanaboutadog]

don'tlaugh

Not a personal attack at all. Just pointing out that it was a mental health issue, rather than anything to do with the topic of the thread - what options were available to the women in question. The only derogatory comment that has been made, as far as I'm aware, is the woman who called her 14 week foetus a fucking slug. Which is despicable.

Peculiar situation, if you had read carefully, you would have seen referred to the circumstances of these women - finding that a DIY abortion is going on upstairs. It's illegal, it's against your conscience and you have to dispose of the body. Highly peculiar.

[Dontlaugh]

The flatmates REPORTING of The woman's apparent complete unconcern for what was to them a very moral dilemma would, on an emotional level, have made it harder for them to stifle their consciences with the notion that she was a desperate person acting desperately.

Fixed that for ya. You're welcome.

[PalmerViolet]

gone, you're just being silly now.

Of course I accept that there are women who think that other women should have zero control over there bodies, I just think they're arseholes.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by forced birther.

It means that you would force women to give birth to babies they don't want. It's pretty self explanatory really.

given that they are still wondering if the foetus was alive when it was born,

Odd, given that one of them was in the room shortly afterwards and knew that it wasn't.

The way that the woman was acting made it very difficult for them to see her as the victim, compared to the baby. With the trauma fresh in their minds, there would have been the need to do something, if only so as not to be implicated (and they could have been, if questions had been asked).

She didn't act in the way they had decided she should, so they fucked her over. They waited a week before they did it though, and kept the evidence. Not fresh. Not their trauma. They are implicated. They are vindictive and awful humans, as is anyone who would force women to give birth against their will.

They did what they did because they are awful humans. And you're here defending them and being personally abusive to women on the thread who have admitted to having abortions.

How's the view from your supposed moral high ground?

[PalmerViolet]

You know what, you're the one who had intercourse.

And here's the crux of the matter.

Forced birthers enjoy punishing women for having sex.

[Dontlaugh]

Gone, are you qualified to diagnose that it was indeed a mental health issue which prompted the posters reaction to her pregnancy?
If you are indeed a qualified psychiatrist, are you comfortable diagnosing these issues on an internet forum?
If you are not, what precisely is leading you to pronounce "mental health issue" (as opposed to emotional reaction, upset, distress etc the words many would use to describe a reaction as opposed to pathologise such a situation?
I am genuinely interested.

[icarusandhiswings]

I saw a quote the other day that said that if you want to know how civilised a culture is, look at how it treats its women.

[exLtEveDallas]

The only derogatory comment that has been made, as far as I'm aware, is the woman who called her 14 week foetus a fucking slug. Which is despicable

Get it right dearie. I said it LOOKED like a slug. Which it did. It didn't look like a baby, it wasn't 'perfectly formed' - it wasn't possible for it to be. Nature doesn't work like that. It LOOKED like a slug, or an alien, or something equally non-human. It was a much wanted, much missed pregnancy, but by no stretch of the imagination did it look anything like a baby.

Yet another thing the flatmates lied about.

[Sirona]

I was 11 weeks and live in NI. Difference is I had the financial support of my family to be able to go to the mainland

It's fucking digusting the way our politicians don't give a shit about women's health and well being with regards to abortion; mental, physical or otherwise under the guise of religion. Makes me so angry.

and this sums up what I think about the housemates

[makingmiracles]

Have never really understood why ni is classed as uk, seems totally bonkers. I personally refuse to accept it as uk, to me it is Northern Ireland and as such the thread title is somewhat misleading as she is a Northern Ireland women not uk mainland. If Northern Ireland is part of the U.K, why are abortion laws different? Surely uk laws should apply regardless of wether you live in the mainland or a island?
The other parts I don't understand are- why aren't the people/organisation in the uk who advised her what drugs to buy online not being punished/penalised? And the same goes to the company online that supplied the drugs? It seems mad in the day and age of people facing prosecution over the selling of legal highs that a company can sell drugs powerful enough to induce an abortion and face no legal repercussions?
I feel sorry for her and others in her position and if they are classed as uk then surely our government should have some say or ability to make change so that it is not illegal?

[treaclesoda]

makingmiracles eh? . That doesn't make sense at all. Of course NI has different laws on some things. As does Scotland. As does Wales.

[treaclesoda]

not that I am agreeing that N Ireland abortion laws are right, I don't think they are. But just the logic that N Ireland shouldn't be classed as part of the UK because it has different laws makes no sense at all.

[treaclesoda]

And Northern Ireland isn't an island.

[makingmiracles]

It's more the fact I just cannot get my head around the fact ni is classed as the uk and then under some invisible line, Southern Ireland is not

[makingmiracles]

Treacle how is that so when it is completely separated by water from the uk?

[PalmerViolet]

Quote from the blog linked by Sirona, which pretty much sums up everything.

So they didn’t report her out of some sense of civic duty, because she’d committed an offence. Abortion is illegal throughout Ireland in the case of rape, too, but apparently this housemate would have had no problem with that (even though the embryo would presumably look exactly like it did in this case). They reported her because she wasn’t sorry about her abortion. Because she had the absolute temerity to be able to get on with her own life after it. Because she didn’t feel the regret they think a woman should be obliged to feel after terminating an unwanted pregnancy. Because she didn’t hurt. So, they were going to make sure she did.

[JacobFryesTopHatLackey]

Sirona all they're doing is importing the problem elsewhere. And they're bloody fortunate to be able to ship the problem away. Out of sight, out of mind, right?

And I'm so glad you had the support you needed, when you needed it

[treaclesoda]

Sorry, I still don't get it? There are invisible lines between all countries where there are different governments.

[annandale]

Makingmiracles if you personally find it difficult to accept the idea, can I suggest that you read some history? There's a very good book of a few years ago called Making Sense of The Troubles which was helpful to me.

[makingmiracles]

Yes I know but it makes no sense to me that Ireland as a whole is separate from the uk, but that half is the uk and half is not

[treaclesoda]

But N Ireland isn't surrounded by water, so how could it be an island?

[makingmiracles]

Can I ask something then, is abortion illegal in Southern Ireland?

[PalmerViolet]

It's more the fact I just cannot get my head around the fact ni is classed as the uk and then under some invisible line, Southern Ireland is not

To put it simply, it's because some shit went down in 1916 that eventually led to Ireland gaining independance and NI being retained as part of the UK.

[DingbatsFur]

Apparently only one political party in NI is willing to address and debate the abortion issue. 1 out of the 5 major parties in the assembly. 1, the Alliance party. The others simply won't talk.
This is the party that two other political parties plotted against to keep out of Westminster and needed a voting pact to ensure the sitting MP was not returned.
I despair, really I do.