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My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

JanH, other sources state the bit of the pentagon that was hit was the most obvious bit and the famous 'turn' happened a long way back.
I also cannot find a single really reputable source saying that this secret service officer (who was concerned with vehicle security for the UN summit in NY) was found in the rubble of WTC7. The others all imply he was helping with rescue attempts, and therefore was in one of the two main buildings.

That seems like a reasonable rule of thumb

This is a quote from one of the makers of the 'Loose change' film, in a discussion

'Dylan Avery ? ?We made that film essentially as a bunch of kids. That?s the reality of the situation; we were a bunch of kids tackling a subject far beyond the scope of any one documentary. I would be the first to admit that our film definitely contained errors, it still does contain some dubious claims, and it does come to some conclusions that are not 100% backed up by the facts?. ?

Thought that was interesting

Just wondering...as I can't seem to find much about this...does anyone know exactly how much training these terrorists would of had for flying a commercial aircraft?
I was under the impression they were taught to fly in smaller planes (obviously cheaper)

Were they actually taught in simulators of boing 757 planes?

I am amazed at how anyone called fly a plane under such tremendous conditions, people screaming...panicking...the terrorists would of had to battle with the pilots to get control...then when in control..faced with a massive and complex control panel.

They did well not to panick...not to stall...to fly a plane with such great precision into the Pentagon...so fantastically well so as not to leave a single mark on the lawn..despite reports of it touching ground..

Are these just average young men, willing to kill themselves for their beliefs...or are they trained commercial airline pilots.

It is remarkable that they could pull it off in such very very stressful conditions thats for sure

sorry, lol @ boing 757

oh...didn't see that!

It really isn't that hard to fly. landing is the key.

I keep saying this. Dh is a trained RAF pilot who flys a 707 type plane. He also has combat experience in 2 wars. he tells me it isn't hard, and they could do it with minimal training. Guess what, I'm going with him.

Ah...betty just read your earlier post....

MB...ok...just asking!
They just did very well not to cock it up...or bottle out...

They wanted to die. This give you a certain focus I think

ok...but they are still only human...
I bet they were shitting themselves

Congressional Record, April 23 2002

This seems quite reputable to me.

I would have been. You would have too, But they have an utterly different world/afterworld view to you and me! They want to do this.

Here is a real story from the 2nd world war.

A japaneas pilot wrote to his wife and told her that he was very upset that he could not be a kamekazi pilot as he was married with children. His wife drowned herself and her children as that he could 'serve the emperor'

Part of the reason that we are in the mess that we are in the middle east is that we expect everyone to think the way tha we do. They don't. That is our fatal error.

I did find this:
Special Agent Robert W Weaver of the New York Electronic Crimes Task Force ? Statement to House Committee on Science, June 24th 2002

Weaver: ?We lost Craig Miller, an employee that we still can?t find. His body has never been recovered. People here are still grief stricken.?
So if his body was never recovered, how can it possibly be true that his body was found in WTC7?
I also found this:
UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE PRESS RELEASE
OFFICE OF GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS
950 H STREET N.W., SUITE 8400
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20223
202-406-5708
WWW.SECRETSERVICE.GOV
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE APRIL 29, 2002
PUB 12-02
MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO PRESENT COMMENDATION TO NEW YORK
FIELD OFFICE FOR ACTIONS ON SEPTEMBER 11TH
NEW YORK, NY ? On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, the New York Field Office of the
United States Secret Service will be presented with a congressional resolution
commending their actions on September 11, 2001 in the wake of terrorist attacks on the
World Trade Center.
Rep. Ernest Istook (R-Okla.), Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), Rep. Steven Rothman (D-NJ)
and Rep. John Sweeney (R- NY) will be joined by United States Secret Service Director
Brian L. Stafford and United States Customs Service Commissioner Robert C. Bonner as
they present a copy of House Resolution 384 (H.R. 384) to members of the New York
Field Office.
H.R. 384, passed by the U.S House of Representatives on Tuesday, April 23, honors the
men and women of the New York Field Office for their extraordinary performance and
commitment to service during and immediately following the terrorist attacks on the
World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.
?The New York Field Office lost their office, and a colleague, on September 11th. But
they never lost their focus or their determination to do what they could to help their
fellow employees, and the citizens of New York,? Director Stafford said. ?I am honored
that Congress has recognized the exceptional efforts of the New York Field Office.?
The Secret Service New York Field Office was located in 7 World Trade Center, which,
along with Towers 1 and 2, collapsed following the terrorist attacks. One employee,
Master Special Officer Craig Miller, died during the rescue efforts. Miller was
temporarily assigned to New York in preparation for the United Nations General
Assembly. Following the attacks, Secret Service employees were some of the first to
respond with first aid trauma kits. Special agents assisted local fire and police rescue in
establishing triage areas and helping evacuate people from the Towers.
-more-

Again, not in WTC7, but helping with the rescue attempts in the main buildings.

a/his body was never found
b/he was, with others, helping with rescue attempts

Therefore his body could not have been found in the rubble of WTC7.

Just typed out a huge message and lost it!!!

General gist was:

I love conspiracy theories but even I can see that these are just a little too far fetched. We like them as it is easier to believe this than that there are a group of people out there that have such little regard for human life - sorry but they do - that;s the world these days.

Where are the conspiracy theories for 7/7??? Or is it only in the US that conspiracies happen??

I do not believe this was a conspiracy but I do beleive that more could have been done in way of prevention and that makes me angry.

On the flip side, there is mountains of evidence as alreadt discussed re the building and as far as I remember, only one of the WTC buildings was insured and noone could beleive both towers could have come down - american arrogance/naevity at its best.

As for the plane - which story do you think the families would prefer - your loved ones died heroes protecting the US to we shot your loved ones dead rather than letting them crash into anymore buildings possibly killing thousands?? Lets be honest gments across the wold make decisions like that all the time - they do it so we don't have to.

As a last line, it is a shame that the rememberance of this event has turned into this - I feel like its just another slap in the face for the families of all the vitims out there.

We've seen on the London underground that young men, with everything to live for, can sit there and reasonably calmly, blow themselves to smithereens. It has happened countless times on the streets of Israel. Why it is hard to believe in happened in the US too?

Have I got this right? - a sumation of theories:-
a) terrorists were responsible for the attacks and the US government knew nothing about them
b) terrorists were responsible for the attacks, the US govt had an idea of what was going on and let it happen in order to have an excuse to attack Iraq
c) The US govt was behind the attacks, either completely orchestrating them (ie there were no "terrorists") or they pulled the strings of puppet terrorists, who thought they were acting independently.
d)The WTC were holograms that were eaten by giant lizards

Further to..."They hope you do not realize that turning off the transponder does not cause the flight traffic controllers or the military air defense system to lose an airplane for 40 minutes especially when they are looking for it." JanH

Just turning off a transponder does not hide an aircraft. Primary radar shows everything in line of sight from the radar antenna - aircraft, hot air balloons, birds wearing crash helmets! etc. whether they like it or not.
As soon as the transponder was switched off the controller would pay particular attention to the blip. There would be no height readout, but there would be no doubting the position.
PS Where did all the "Jumbos" come from?

No, you've left out suedonim's entirely risible theory that the WTC is real, and was never destroyed. [rolls eyes with great skepticism]

Can we even be sure that america is real????

I know that I've been there, but I could have been duped by the Illumenati

Ok...I feel this could go on for eternity!!

What ever you believe...there are Hard Cold facts here that are not being noticed.

Thermite....an explosive used in the demolition process...Found on metal and rubble taken from WTC...FACT
Overlooked blatently by US government and anyone believing them. Research bodies...intellegant, well educated, experienced people have noted this substance was present.
The towers have been studied in detail by these people...demolition experts...they have been studying thier collapse for years! Over and over...many many independant assessments all bringing the same conclusions here.
US government are still claiming it to be caused by fire.
HELLO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WTC 7....a building completey flattened..absolutely completely squashed...pancaked. WTC 5 and WTC 6 directly hit by very large parts of WTC 1 and 2....STILL HAVE WALLS INTACT!!!!!
C'MON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They were ALL built and designed in the same way!!!!!!

People were there...people heard the bloody bombs going off...firemen were thrown across floors by the blasts...
Or let me see....they were thrown across floors by a loud bang and some flames?????????????????

AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Oooh, good point, MB. It could be fictional, like Australia.

Thermite is not an explosive, it is an exothermic reaction used to melt iron to mend railway tracks (among other things)

So that is a crock of shit for starters.

Trust me I'm a scince teacher

MB...it produces an explotion...you know damned well what I mean...did you watch the links I put showing you what a thermite reaction can actually do?????????

There are steel fucking girders poking out which have been severed in half...
They have found the fucking stuff there!!!!!!!!!!!!