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My uncle sent me this and thought it was an appropriate time to share it with you

The Truth?

(Only I'm beginning to feel a bit like Paxo about the dead Secret Service bloke in the rubble)

They may not have been at the optimum height to hit, and went round a second time. They may not have had the level of control initialy.

Pilots do this as a routine thing, circuits, they call it.

If he wasn't 'happy' with his tajectory, it would be 'sensible' to go round. Remember this guy wanted to make sure he would hit.

Just because he did that it doesn't lead to any proof of anything.

mb, did you see my post at 15.25?

(This bit is particularly interesting: "Notwithstanding that the Pentagon is ringed by anti-missile batteries, which are programmed to destroy any aircraft entering the Pentagon?s airspace, except for any aircraft with a US military transponder. and if Flight 77 had entered the Pentagon?s airspace, it could have escaped being shot down only if officials in the Pentagon had deactivated its anti-aircraft defenses. This Pilot somehow out smarted this missile battery.")

Is this true?

Oh, and, could your 6-yr-old fly an actual extremely large plane, at high speeds, and find the right building, and hit it with that degree of precision?

I very much doubt it. I have read consipracy theorists saying it would only take a fighter minutes to reach it....which it utter bullshit.

Dh has flown at 7 mintes a minyue, but even at those speeds it still takes a finite time to get to position.

remember at the time there were no policies in place to shoot down a comericial jet over US airspace. I think that things would very probably be different now. But at the time the unthinkable was happeneing. America had never been targeted on its home ground

Er, he flw an extreemly large, exceptinally expensive, accurate in every detail, used by the RAF to train their pilots simulator, so, yes I think he could have! It was on Squadron open day!

But would an automated defence system inside the Pentagon have known it was a commercial plane?

dh is, I think the only dh pilot on mn. He said what they did was a piece of piss for someone with rudementary pilot training. He has 20 odd years of experince of flying a wide range of fighters and big, multi engine planes. Why should I doubt him? Unless he is a lizad???

And, yes it would have if they had IFF turned on

What's IFF?

I've flown a 707 simulator (and a real life Airbus ) and, as Mb says, the flying is not that difficult - the landing is! I firmly believe that taking even basic flying lessons and researching controls, use of autopilot etc for a 737/757 would make it possible for these men to pilot those aircraft as they did.

And how about the dead Secret Service bloke in WTC7?

lawks! x post with mb

(computer playing up. I'm > this close to chucking it out of the window)

But betty, the pilot featured in Loose Change, who I think was the Pentagon plane one, had poor English, struggled to land a Cessna and flunked out, basically...

Mind you I can't remember how long that was before 9/11. I spose he could have had some intensive coaching.

Identify Friend Foe

The guy in the building. Well, here is a thought. Could he just have got caught up in the thing? Could he have enetered the building to see if there had been terrorist attacks there too????

Much more likely than the whole great big, CIA, holographic planes, gased civiliams, giant lizar cobblers.

Yes, it really is easy to fly a plane. That answers one thing that has wipped the consiracy theorists up into a frenzy.

Jeez, he didn't have to land the fucking thing, just crash it!

As Dh says, landing is the tough bit!

He never had to learn to land it, that was never their plan!

And the Pentagon plane practically did land - it came in horizontally, skimming the grass, apparently - it looked very skilful to the eye witnesses.

Honest to god, janh, I saw my six year old do it! I shit you not! And he has never flown a thing!

Yes he could have, but in that case why did the FEMA report say nobody died there - they were supposed to have researched the thing exhaustively.

(And there is still no conclusion about why it collapsed.)

Quite, mb. I don't think anyone seriously doubts that there were some secrets, and some things hidden, but to extrapolate that to this huge great conspiracy theory is just unbelievable.

Ohh ffs, eye wintesses who are stressed andhave no flight training.

Eye witnesses can be so inaccurate.

here we go janh, It might have been a fuck up. Human error, or the biggest, most complicated consipracy in the history of the planet.

I know which one I'd go with!

Were the eye witnesses all pilots too? Presumably by landing being the hard part, mb et al mean landing safely.

quote dh 'Any landing is a good one if you can walk away from it'

I'm very surprised that a Secret Service agent was named at all. Know someone (won't divulge more on here) who worked for our security services. Was posted abroad. Family were told that should anything happen to him there ie he died, it would never be officially reported that he was there, he, effectively, didn't exist there