Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

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notoldohno It would have been marvellous if you could have been on MN for the entirety of this subject beginning in January (this one is the 9th in the Cologne series) because a number of us have been battling the propaganda by the No Borders crowd. Their tactic is to bombard the thread with statements, never respond to questions about how any EU country can financially support mass immigration or indeed how to deal with the violent and misogynist beliefs of these men.

Your idea about genes being altered is an interesting one. I know that there is a 'pull' to the place of one's birth and upbringing, and those of earlier generations who had to flee because of war and never returned home always look slightly sad, even after 50 yrs.

Instead of encouraging refugees from Syria and Irak to come to Europe, Europe and the US should help sort out the dreadful situation there (it is possible), organise outstanding refugee cities in Turkey and the neighbouring region, supported with a decent infrastructure, education, healthcare etc for the duration of a conflict. They aim should always be relocating people to their countries of origin. I believe the land people come from, the communities, culture and religion people belong to ought to be protected not destroyed by removing refugees from their origins. The cultural relativists are terminators of culture and imo violators of human rights.

That's exactly what I have been arguing on, on multiple threads, including the Turkey a Deal thread in In The News section.

Distributing the migrants through the EU is nit the answer, for them it for us.

When this idiotic Syrian conflict ends that country will need its people to return. They won't return if they have settled into new lives elsewhere. The professional Syrian class will have no reason to go back and help rebuild their country. Without people the country is just dead space that can be occupied by extremists.
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We should be using this supposed great might of the wonderful EU to build fully functioning camps, under international protection close to Syria so that the Syrians can more easily return home.
That would also overcome the problem of economic non-Syrian migrants chancing their luck alongside genuine refugees

Two nine year old girls assaulted by migrants this weekend.

www.rt.com/news/338411-germany-sex-assault-migrant/

Regarding the Bilderbergs, Peter Sutherland, the UN spokesman advocating open borders, is a Bilderberger, He is also Chair of Goldman Sachs. Sutherland has previously called for the destruction of national sovereignty. This man is instrumental in the annihilation of Europe and he is rotten to the core. A nice bedfellow of Merkel and Tusk.

I hadn't realised it was No Borders orchestrating the trashing of debate of these threads. That makes sense now.

I've come across a few in my professional life, immature and one-track Social
Justice Warriors with a great line in parroting party propaganda and absolutely no original thoughts or ability to engage in constructive debate.

What they are programmed to do is whine about human rights abuses of a certain ethnic group, in an obsessive, racist fashion, with no attempt to understand the nuances of any situation.

I had to have one removed last year from a briefing as she had no idea how to behave in a business environment and mistook politeness for agreement with her unintelligent and belligerent lecturing.

There were some quite influential
people there who I can guarantee will now refuse to take a call or read an email from this woman and her cronies.

I'm surprised MN are allowing such blatant political trolling. I have been away a while!

Jessy - Well said. I have now stopped posting on these threads for these very reasons. I wonder how many others have too?

I do find it astounding that MNHQ have tolerated the NB trolling on these threads for so long.
They acquiesced to their every request to have posts deleted which eventually led to a plethora of suspensions and bannings of the women trying to defend women's rights (oh the irony) while allowing said posters to call everyone that disagreed with their warped views as a Nazi.

This can only lead me to believe MN were complicit or in agreement with NB probably as a misguided sign of left wing solidarity.

I would have thought the right of women to go about their daily lives without fear and in safety was paramount in MN ethos.

The fear of being called racist seemingly outweighs the fear of being called a misogynist.

HelpfulChap.

What you say is the truth and I remain incredibly disappointed with MNHQ. They allowed this outrageous behaviour to continue over nine threads. At times it was pretty stomach churning the way the said poster would persistently accuse posters of being nazis, racists, islamophobic and derailing time and time again. As if that was not bad enough, posters were then suspended and banned for defending themselves the best they could, and defending their right to explore this subject- post Cologne - and shining a light on women's rights and misogyny.

Anna I saw Peter Sutherland on TV. Smug and slick come to mind. Goldman Sachs .... say no more! They have and have had a presence in every USA President's administration as Advisers. It seems that the UN is part of the Fifth Column as well.

This blog post pretty much sums up my thoughts on the current destruction of Europe. The pro EU lot dismiss immigration concerns at their own peril.

www.floppingaces.net/2015/09/23/a-people-betrayed-how-the-immigration-crisis-is-being-exploited-to-force-europe-to-embrace-its-destruction-guest-post/

I would have thought the right of women to go about their daily lives without fear and in safety was paramount in MN ethos

And the right to debate that issue would also have been paramount in the MN I joined many years ago.

Looking at these posts over the last few days has been, what? I hesitate to use the word 'chilling' as I don't believe in conspiracy and I discourage scaremongering.

But I have seen the same silencing tactics in the media (as illustrated above) and here and it has left me very uneasy indeed.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3524048/Two-Afghanistan-migrant-men-force-14-year-old-boy-perform-sex-acts-swimming-pool-Germany.html

More sexual emergencies?

German media, instead of being investigative and more or less neutral, are pro merkel and 'refugee-phile'. They are obsessed with refugees and there are references to how welcome they are in Germany and how wonderful German people are who help the refuges. They are obsessed with the topic and putting a positive spin on the refuge situation, It's perplexing. for example i read this today in my break, an article about how parents raise children who are unable to fit in because some parents don't set boundaries instead encouraging individual development and expression above all. This article is in interview format where the " Die zeit" asks questions and a psychologist gives her views. They talk about teachers who in the past had 3-4 children with challenging behaviour but now consider a class with 3-4 children without challenging behavior a 'good' class. I'm digressing at the end of the interview the "Die Zeit" says that not all young Germans can possibly be 'badly behaved' or display 'tricky and challenging behavior, giving the example of all the good young adults helping out in refugee centres. That was it, the benchmark in this article for a 'good and decent GErmna' was their willingness to spend time volunteering in asylum centres.
www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/familie/2016-04/kindererziehung-tyrannen-kinder-erwachsen-martina-leibovici-muehlberger

Die Zeit is a high brow, paper popular with people who like to think they are intellectual. I find the one dimensional view and treatment of the refugee political and social crisis lamentable.

ItsJust Thank you for the link to floppingaces.net. In fact, there was another article which greatly interested me - and that is the Yugoslav war. Since the early 90s when it began I have tried to find out what caused it without success. I could not find a stated reason in any newspaper, except that fighting had broken out. Isnt that interesting? It transpires that what happened in Cologne et al 25 yrs later down the line is what sparked off the Yugoslav war.

"Because the same horrors that came to the doorstep of the Bosnian Serbs are now spreading to Europe and people are either failing or refusing to join the dots. Just two days before the verdict on Karadzic was announced, 35 people were slaughtered by devout Muslim mujahideen waging jihad in the way of Allah in the capital of the European Union, Brussels.

"The slaughter and rape of Serbs by Bosnian Muslims were virtually ignored by Western governments and their propaganda merchants in the mass media. What’s disgraceful is the continual highlighting of the massacre of Muslim males and boys at Srebrenica without any mention of the diabolical horrors Muslim mujahideen had inflicted upon Serb communities during the three years leading up to the massacre when furious Serbs took their revenge."

www.floppingaces.net/2016/04/01/how-the-betrayal-of-radavan-karadzic-led-to-jihad-in-brussels-guest-post/

Gang rape in Helsinki:

www.china.org.cn/world/2016-04/02/content_38164171.htm

That is indeed very intesting CutTheWaffle. I also had no idea about the reasons behind that war.
Now the question is WHY are European governments allowing and ignoring the systematic rape of their female citizens? And why are more women not questioning this?
Answers on a postcard please

Interesting posts and much to catch up with.

I did a bit of reading on the whole Bosnian war and it's really complicated and comes down to a bit of he said/she said as well and people denying what they had said. There was an agreement apparently that was due to be signed in Lisbon to sort the division of the country along ethnic lines but it was actually the Bosniak leader that refused to sign and pulled out. The Bosniak side were helped by fighters from Hesbollah and the Iranian national guard amongst others. The Greeks were involved with either the Serbs or Croats. It was all very messy and apparently there are still no accurate casualty figures to this day.

I suspect quite a few women are questioning what is happening but if there is no accurate picture about how widespread the problem is and also if it doesn't come that close to home it's difficult to judge how much it will affect you.

Cologne for me woke me up not just to the dangers of attack but the wider implications of the fight we have for women's rights as a whole from pay to basic freedoms. I had been pretty aware of things before but it brought it into sharp focus how I viewed the world and also what kind of world I wanted my son to grow up in, the relationships he will form etc.

Of course there are many other things that I worry about in this world as a whole some minor, some major, but what shapes me is the person I am, the gender and my place in the world.

Yes the world being less safe for women and children does worry me.

I can understand German and Swedish media suppressing stories about problems with their immigrant guests. When your country (especially Germany) has proclaimed itself the most generous humanitarian host in Europe, it must be humiliating several months down the line to admit that the thousands of young men, who were supposed to be grateful and eager to contribute to their society are causing huge problems and causing waves of fear and discontentment amongst the German people.

It'll be fun when Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and Kosivo all complete their EU negotiations (stability period) and become EU members.

We will then have the recreation of the FYR, but under an EU umbrella. The voting cliques within the EU will be as hilarious as the Eurovision Song Contest. I just hope that their 2nd break up is less bloody than the first. Of course by that time the EU will include Albania too

I'm a swivel-eyed loom because i don't want these countries to have any part in making the UK's laws.

Jonathonseagull, but pride comes before fall!

Thread nearly full.

Should we open the discussion up a bit to women's and children's safety in Europe and the willful destruction of Europe in general?

I must be swivel-eyed too Springing because I'm just a little concerned that all this might possibly result in war in Europe.

No doubt about it. It will end in war.

The flashpoint will probably be Ukraine. The EU is an ever-expanding Empire. No empire ever in history has said - I'll stop now, I'm quite big enough already.

So already we are being printed and groomed to see Putin as the enemy. The interesting thing will be how the Eastern European countries of the EU react to all this. I think they will leave and form their own bloc, free from any significant migrant influx. I expect we'll be begging them to let us in.

This Thread
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/2565953-Cologne-Sexual-Assaults-IX-and-David-Davies-Web-Chat
had started nearly the same time as this one. We can revitise it. I will bump it up.

Great, see you there.