Cologne Sexual Assaults IX and David Davies Web Chat

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LumelaMme Sun 07-Feb-16 13:07:18

On New Year's Eve women in Cologne were amongst those who were sexually assaulted and robbed in mass attacks.
This is a link to the last thread which has links to all the others.

Some of us have begun a petition asking the government to uphold women's rights and freedoms:

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We also hope that tomorrow, Monday 8th February, David TC Davies MP will be on MN for a web chat between 1pm and 2pm - it should be a sticky on either Chat or In The News. David was one of the few MPs who has shown any interest in this whole issue and who has responded sympathetically to those of us concerned about women's rights in a changing world.

seeThereWeAreThen Sun 07-Feb-16 13:20:38

Just marking

vladimirsoftless Sun 07-Feb-16 13:25:51

Jan put it brilliantly at the end of the last thread when she posted:

"I know I am not the only one who has said, or at the very least implied, that sexual assaults are carried out by men of all clolours, religions (and none) and classes. It's not 'just an islamic thing' - you'd have to be a total loon to think that. "

www.express.co.uk/news/world/641514/MAPPED-How-sex-attacks-are-spreading-across-Sweden-as-police-struggle-with-migrant-crime

Just to reiterate, my concern and anger is in regard to the refusal of politicians (especially Labour) and mainstream media to address the specific issue of male migrant sexual violence against European women out of misguided political correctness. I don't think all migrants do this (of course not) but it is a fact that the incidence of rape and sexual violence committed by migrant men is significant and real.

I think we can all agree that sexual violence must be addressed urgently. However, where necessary contextual factors such as mass migration by lone men needs to be explored, analysed discussed and dealt with. Not half-heartedly but clearly and firmly. NO more hand ringing or we will see me right-wind action on Europe' street, something I would be very afraid of.

All people will suffer as a result of governments and the EU commission not addressing crime in the context of migration. It is a specific context and needs to be handled as such. PC glasses need to be taken off and rule and order reestablished.

This needs to be death with by politicians, civil society and mainstream media (yes, you BBC, and you Guardian!! Telegraph are doing ok, shan't mention Daily fail, we are all guilty of it)

I'll ask for my duplicate thread to be deleted - too eager smile

TheNewStatesman Sun 07-Feb-16 13:34:41

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/06/liberals-harsh-truths-help-refugees-syria

This is good. From Nick Cohen.

BrittEkland Sun 07-Feb-16 13:35:37

NHS ..... I have no idea why I am being called a liar about the recent change in Dept of Health statement about eligibility for EU passport holders.. The 6 month qualifying period is no longer required. Read it here.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3424729/Got-papers-order-welcome-soft-touch-Britain-doctors-blow-whistle-EU-health-tourists-bleed-NHS-dry.html

BrittEkland Sun 07-Feb-16 13:36:24

I was called "Britt, you're a fucking dreadful human being." by a hysterical emilybohemia.

I suggest you take it up with the Indian publication of that particular piece instead of bothering me. One of the refs is actually a Japanese person.

www.hindujagruti.org/news/13946.html

Kummerspeck Sun 07-Feb-16 13:45:57

There has been a change in NHS policy and GP surgeries are now not required to ask for evidence of residency

Good post vlad. Nobody should be assumed to be a terrorist, rapist, child molester, etc based on their religion, origin or skin colour but nor should anybody be put at risk from terrorists, rapists, child molesters, etc because of a fear that open discussion may be decried as racist or xenophobic

BrittEkland Sun 07-Feb-16 13:54:00

BadlyBehaved ...... I am inclined to agree with Britt's psychoanalyst friend as well. I think what will potentially happen eventually is that rather than 'our' men demanding that they change attitudes to adapt to our moral and social framework, we will be expected to adapt our behaviour as women because it will be perceived as easier to achieve.

I went cold when my friend told me, a few years ago that "Male bonding is always stronger than heterosexual love. Men will unite to control women at a societal level, even those who are at first reluctant."

I can already here the comments from husbands, fathers, brothers ..... "Well, can't you just wear this instead" ..... "Do you really have to work there?" ....... "Can't you have your girlfriends over to the house instead of going out to the bar?" "Think about it darling, it's going to be very expensive putting all the kids thru uni. And you know that 'Jane' will probably marry quickly and have children." etc etc

glenthebattleostrich Sun 07-Feb-16 13:59:13

Britt I hope you reported that personal attack.

I'm out all day tomorrow so won't be around for the chat with DD unfortunately. Will look out for the thread when I get back.

BrittEkland Sun 07-Feb-16 14:00:54

vladimir What a lovely GP you had! To be surrounded by cats & dogs - great. I have been told, dont know if it is true, that in England a vet can treat a human being in an emergency, but a doctor cannot treat an animal.

LumelaMme Sun 07-Feb-16 14:03:32

"I know I am not the only one who has said, or at the very least implied, that sexual assaults are carried out by men of all clolours, religions (and none) and classes. It's not 'just an islamic thing' - you'd have to be a total loon to think that. "
<coughs>
Twas me, Vlad.

Moreshabbythanchic Sun 07-Feb-16 14:07:44

Britt I know its a bit off topic but it makes me really cross that the blame for the state of the NHS is laid at the feet of the people who have a genuine right to use it. I don't know why the rules were ever changed but it has definitely led to the poor state it is in now.

sportinguista Sun 07-Feb-16 14:10:20

Britt please take no notice of Emily, she is mostly pretty hysterical, it's what gets her a rise. Don't rise to it.

As I said DH had to go through the residency process, but it was 20 years ago nearly, the rules have changed, so Britt was quite correct about that being procedure at one point a while ago, just not now.

It seems that it doesn't matter how young the girl to these men or whether a woman is with small children they think it's ok. I don't think anyone round our way muslim or not would think it's remotely ok to go after little girls or women with children.

I would say this about anyone whatever colour/race/religion etc. We had a colleague who was imprisoned for child sex offences (very serious ones) who was white British and there was a huge sense of revulsion from everyone at work (you kind of felt horror at the contact you'd had). You feel the same way whatever the persons origin.

BrittEkland Sun 07-Feb-16 14:14:03

2016 Globalisation or NWO is nothing to do with people from Muslim countries as you seem to say on the last thread. This is the mixing up of all peoples, no borders, it is a model of totalitarian rule on a global scale Apparently the senior hierarchy of every country knows of it (not sure about N. Korea though) and has agreed to it. The EU bloc is the start, and that has taken 40 years. There are only finite resources available and 'they' believe their plan is the best. It will take decades to get there.

Don't forget that democracy is only 250 years old. A person's life can change forever in one day. My parents' lives did. You may think this is off-topic, but it is not because (to me) it explains the eagerness of Mrs Merkel and even Austria, the latter I have always seen as inward-looking, to take in so many unchecked people. Their identities are unverifiable because ..... it is no longer relevant.

LumelaMme Sun 07-Feb-16 14:24:27

Liberals also need to stop treating their fellow citizens as if they were closet Nazis. It is no good screaming that they are “racists”, like some no-platforming student dogmatist. Some may be. Others will have real concerns that lying applicants and sharp lawyers can rig the system. They will only welcome genuine refugees if bogus asylum seekers are speedily removed.
From the Nick Cohen article linked upthread.

Having been treated as a closet Nazi by people who are probably completely sincere but a bit blinkered I can only say, Hurrah for that.

Being treated as a Nazi does fuck me off rather.

GraceKellysLeftArm Sun 07-Feb-16 14:26:23

I lived overseas for many, many years. Once during a trip to the UK I needed emergency GP treatment and a prescription. I knew I wasn't entitled to free treatment, so tried to present my insurance card/wad of cash. I was looked at as though I had two heads - none of the people I spoke to had any idea how to process someone wanting to pay...

GraceKellysLeftArm Sun 07-Feb-16 14:29:33

haha re: "student dogmatist" - it's (the entire "situation") always reminded me of student union bar politics - the demands of righteousness from those who've never lived. wink

BrittEkland Sun 07-Feb-16 14:31:20

MoreShabby ......I know its a bit off topic but it makes me really cross that the blame for the state of the NHS is laid at the feet of the people who have a genuine right to use it. I don't know why the rules were ever changed but it has definitely led to the poor state it is in now.

But it is not entirely off-topic because the increase in population is causing us some problems in accessing what we have paid for. I am fed up of talking heads on TV going on about patients being more demanding or the elderly living longer and suggesting those are main reasons for £ crisis in the NHS. The reason for the zipcode lottery is entirely manufactured; no patients should be refused certain medications or treatments but they are because the sums allocated to each Region vary dramatically.

What kind of medicine is it that thinks seeing an outpatient 3 or 4 months after initial contact is good medicine? You are just left to get on with it. It is happening because of two things (i) increase in population thru immigration, and (ii) EU people who travel to England for operations rather than stay in their own countries for treatment. (I don't know why they do that).

The building of hospitals, or extensions, just have not kept up with population increase. And there is no excuse for this, because the amount of money Revenue receives from smokers is astronomical.

vladimirsoftless Sun 07-Feb-16 14:31:45

"I have been told, dont know if it is true, that in England a vet can treat a human being in an emergency"

grin maybe this is what it was! It was an emergency and no other GP in Maida Vale or nearby could apparently take me on.

"What a lovely GP you had! To be surrounded by cats & dogs - great."
I agree smile It was quite funny though as it was my first ever contact with the NHS and i was rather surprised.

BrittEkland Sun 07-Feb-16 14:46:31

WidowWadman I require an apology from you please.

Ignorance does not excuse rudeness.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3424729/Got-papers-order-welcome-soft-touch-Britain-doctors-blow-whistle-EU-health-tourists-bleed-NHS-dry.html

Moreshabbythanchic Sun 07-Feb-16 15:11:04

Britt I quite agree with you, it makes me so cross when the elderly are blamed for bed blocking etc when they are entitled to NHS care and no mention is given to the health tourists. Both of my DD's work in the NHS, one in GP practice and one in hospital, you would be amazed at some of their stories.

MariscallRoad Sun 07-Feb-16 15:27:28

425
Hello!

GourmetSoup Sun 07-Feb-16 16:12:58

17-year-old asylum seeker raped a 72-year-old pensioner

Link

Inkanta Sun 07-Feb-16 16:23:36

'However, where necessary contextual factors such as mass migration by lone men needs to be explored, analysed discussed and dealt with. Not half-heartedly but clearly and firmly. NO more hand ringing'poster

vladimirsoftless - yes that's a good summary - and you wouldn't think some thing so simple as to explore these facts, (migrants committing these attacks) that have emerged from Cologne could meet such resistance.

But I think we are pushing through these taboos thankfully.

GraceKellysLeftArm Sun 07-Feb-16 16:34:07

Albeit with a small, already enlightened group. It does seem somewhat "preaching to the choir". sad

What has got to happen to make people care?

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