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Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part IX

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vladimirsoftless · 07/02/2016 13:06

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Women in the UK must be free to work, travel and live free of sexual violence

Recently, women across the EU were subjected to mass sexual assaults of a type previously unknown in Europe. We demand that Government brings forward proposals for extra measures to uphold UK women's rights, safety & freedom, and to expand police understanding-recognition-response to such behaviour.

Please take a look and and sign:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/119385

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unlucky83 · 30/03/2016 23:24

mia I've watched the whole video of that Maryam Namazie talk.
No-one asked those incredibly rude, disruptive, young (mainly) men what exactly they were so scared about?

Why not let her make her points - take notes and then they could ask questions and put their POV forward. Their arguments about why they thought she was wrong. why they disagreed. Have an intelligent debate.
But they wouldn't do that...why?
Was that because they knew they couldn't argue against her? And why was that?
They didn't actually appear to be very intelligent (surprising as I assume they were university students, so should be educated to a certain level) but was it something more, something intrinsic?
What I did find kind of ironic was the Libyan woman talking about Sharia and women's equality and being heckled. She quoted the Koran in Arabic (I assume) and one of the most vocal females shouted for her to speak in English - it was one of the ones who earlier who made a fuss because Maryam said she hadn't read the Koran...Confused

MariscallRoad · 30/03/2016 23:29

Merkel needs quiz : Where is the external border of EU at present?

unlucky83 · 30/03/2016 23:34

mariscall Black hair, moustache....started a world war, responsible for organised mass murder on a scale never seen before ...

MariscallRoad · 31/03/2016 00:35

unlucky I ve read Merkel incorporated some extreme right wing elements in her party - and some ghosts of the past - I canot remember the reference now but it does not suprise me. She was surprised after the elections that her party was not the only one having monopoly of harbouring the very right wing and that quite a few disaffected ones have found refuge in AfD. I thought there should have been a thorough clean up after the war but quite a few extreme elements escaped seems...

CutTheWaffle · 31/03/2016 19:00

If you think how much of GB is actually now owned by Saudi, China and Russian oligarchs..

Tessa - I would not be surprised if the whole of Europe has been secretly sold off to a consortium of ME nations, but no one has told us! It goes some way to explain why so many MENA people were allowed in without establishing their nationalities, and why there is no real will to deal head on with sex crimes.

unlucky83 · 31/03/2016 20:28

mariscall I think it is more about Merkel's legacy - she wants to atone for the past and be remembered as a good chancellor ...she will probably will be remembered but for all the wrong reasons!
This is what I think about Blair - he thought a war would have a positive effect on his popularity/legacy. Make him memorable. He was also desperately holding on to try and out do Margaret Thatcher for longest serving prime minister this century. Iraq I think was his Falklands but whether you think we should have gone to war or not we were not the aggressors in the Falklands - we were in Iraq...and I think he will be remembered also for all the wrong reasons ...

scandip · 31/03/2016 21:38

I think what Merkel did was great. It'sjust a shame she had so little support from other EU countries. If you mean by 'atone for the past' that she wanted to atone for the horrors of the holocaust in some way, why on earth is that a bad thing?

WeMustSurelyBeLearning · 31/03/2016 22:10

If Merkels actions were a form of "atonement" it's somewhat ironic that they have resulted in a rise in anti Semitic attacks and Jewish people once again feeling they have no choice but to leave europe.

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 31/03/2016 22:10

I think your comment, scandip throws up many interesting questions.

Should the people of Germany today be punished for the sins of some of their fore Fathers?
And if they should be punished who makes that call and who carries out the punishment?

Is it really fair!

AMouseLivedinaWindMill · 31/03/2016 22:11

YY Wemustbelearning, that as well.

Izlet · 31/03/2016 22:20

Precisely. If anything it is perverse that the "punishing" is being carried out by a rabidly anti-Semitic incoming culture, who would probably celebrate the acts of the German forefathers.

Is it fair to inflict this punishment on the descendants of those guilty Germans, descendants who have in the main disavowed and disassociated themselves from the acts of their forefathers?

unlucky83 · 31/03/2016 22:21

What Merkel did was bordering on insane - incredibly stupid - she encouraged people to waste their money and endanger their lives...
And now the whole of the EU is dealing with the fall out ....and will for years to come...
Those poor migrants who were festering in places like Idomeni - purely due to Merkel's stupidity...her power trip need to leave a 'legacy.'
As I said IME just like Blair and Iraq and look where there that has got us
And yes I did mean the holocaust and all the others horrors of WW2 ...but instead through misguided judgement and self importance we could be bordering on WW3 ...

unlucky83 · 31/03/2016 22:24

That should be IMO not IME -thankfully I don't personally know Mr. Blair - or if I did he would have got a piece of my mind before I went NC...Grin

TinySombrero · 01/04/2016 00:13

I cannot fathom Merkel's thinking at all.

MariscallRoad · 01/04/2016 01:38

That is quite interesting article on Denazification en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification#Surveys

As denazification was deemed ineffective and counterproductive by the Americans, they did not oppose the plans of the German chancellor Konrad Adenauer to end the denazification efforts. Adenauer's intention was to switch government policy to reparations and compensation for the victims of Nazi rule (Wiedergutmachung), stating that the main culprits had been persecuted.

Several amnesty laws were also passed which affected about 792,176 people

As a result, several people with a former Nazi past ended up again in the political apparatus of Western Germany

A complete disaster. No proper clean up? And the question is where did these ghosts hide? in which coalition? We can only suspect! How come AfD suddenly got that many in the last elections - from Merkels coalition perhaps?

MariscallRoad · 01/04/2016 02:06

I believe Merkel tried hard to rehabilitate the past nazis but failed for reasons she knows and we know this now when AfD rose to 25% recently in one State. That is probably how denazification did not happen and dreadful things continued:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Adenauer#First_government so here we read:
'In a speech on 20 September 1949, Adenauer denounced the entire denazification process pursued by the Allied military governments, announcing in the same speech that he was planning to bring in an amnesty law for the Nazi war criminals and he planned to apply to "the High Commissioners for a corresponding amnesty for punishments imposed by the Allied military courts". Adenauer argued the continuation of denazification would "foster a growing and extreme nationalism" as the millions who supported the Nazi regime would find themselves excluded from German life forever.'
'On 2 January 1951, Adenauer met with the American High Commissioner, John J. McCloy, to argue that executing the Landsberg prisoners would ruin forever any effort at having the Federal Republic play its role in the Cold War.'
'By 1951 laws were passed by the Bundestag ending denazification. Officials were allowed to retake jobs in civil service.'

And so today what do we have?

HelpfulChap · 01/04/2016 05:52

I see our resident apologist has reappeared up thread. I preferred the old name, had more of a Hallmark cards feel to it.

Just couldn't stay away.

HelpfulChap · 01/04/2016 05:57

Mariscall

Are you trying to suggest Merkel's party is rife with Nazis from WWII? Wouldn't they all be 90-100?

CutTheWaffle · 01/04/2016 08:19

I think what Merkel did was great.

What! This is kindergarten thinking. To invite so many hostiles into Germany and Austria is harebained, because a significant portion of the inhabitants in Europe are Jewish. Have you not heard ...... Islam's openly declared intention is to eradicate all Jewry and not just from the Middle East? She was not atoning for Germany's past - she was deliberately setting the cat amongst the pigeons. The reason is yet to be divulged. And the reason is not altruistic but has been moulded to appear so.

Mrs M. has simply imported warring factions into Europe (i.e. Muslim vs Yazidi, Sunni vs Shia, Muslim vs non-Muslim). It is an appalling state of affairs with no thought for the welfare and safety of Europeans.

HelpfulChap · 01/04/2016 08:39

CutTheWaffle

You have to take into account who scandip really is and then it will all make sense.

CutTheWaffle · 01/04/2016 10:44

HelpfulChap ....... what do you mean, who is op.
Marxist? the No Borders crowd?

MariscallRoad · 01/04/2016 11:09

HelpfulChap good to ask questions - thanks. I dont know . I did not know about the amnestised nazis facts and I was shocked to find out what happened. There are obviously 2nd generation of the former nazi amnestised 'somewhere' but I am not sure they can change habits.

The one thing I read from the film director Fasbinder is that Germans want to forget their past and dont want anyone to mention it - I am not German.

sportinguista · 01/04/2016 11:09

As evidenced by the killing in Glasgow of Asad Shah there are a good many minorities and even majorities that Sunni/Salafism is against sufficiently to consider incitement to hate which may have led to his killer to think it was a justified cause of action. If the taking of a life is seen to be ok by some of these people then many people could be endangered. I would be interested to see what the reaction of the Ahmadi community is and if there has had to be increased security for them. I know in France at least there has had to be stepped up security at Jewish places of worship and schools. It is worrying as sectarianism is never a healthy state of affairs.

sportinguista · 01/04/2016 11:15

Mariscall, when something heinous occurs I can understand when it is over many people want to forget, especially if many know that amongst them were those that participated. Similar things have happened in Spain with the legacy of Franco and in Portugal with Salazar. Very few people mention it and there are in fact those who comitted what are essentially crimes within those regimes who now still hold positions within local and national government. I've witnessed only one friend talking about it, my parents in law etc rarely mention what happened.

Did you know that the Far Right still gather on the anniversary of Franco's death at his tomb? It never goes away.

MariscallRoad · 01/04/2016 11:19

HelpfulChap I do have the same feel about reappearances despite the fact I am dyslexic. Now I come to think about influences in political in parties I believe they start long ago and continue. They don't change so rapidly.