Terrible news from Sweden

[JaneJefferson]

This case is so sad. A young care worker has been killed and she was alone in the child refugee centre at night. I can't believe she was left alone to care for 11 refugees after all the recent concerns. There are various news articles about it on the web.

A 'boy' was removed from dds secondary school he was in year 11.

He was living with a local family who were acting as he guardians.

They found his passport that he never had. He wasn't from Syria neither was he 15, he was 22.

My dd was going to school with a 22 year old man who had had several girlfriends ages 15/16.

It's not ok.

katenka that's dreadful

Katenka that is horrifying. There needs to be some sort of proper checking done before accepting anyone as a "child" refugee. Surely there must be physical markers that could be used to determine whether someone is the age they say they are?

herimone what's worse is that the family have been asked to take another 'child' and aren't allowed complain about it.

I know them personally so know a bit of detail. But there is stuff they aren't allowed to tell anyone.

It's not the first time it's happened in this area either

What happened to the man?

anthony I genuinely don't know. Teeth are a good indicator, I have heard. But I don't know anything about that.

I think speech and language experts should sit in on interviews too. There was one on the BBC who went to Calais camps and camps around Europe. He estimated as much as 2/3rds were not from war torn countries and were economic migrants, passing as refugees.

Surely someone should be able to spot where they are from, by accent and dialect

I gave no idea. They called their social worker who has him removed and won't give details.

There needs to be a much stricter and better system for removing "fake" asylum seekers. If word got out that such people would be swiftly removed from Europe the numbers would surely dwindle? Bloody Angela merkel has a lot to answer for with her welcome one, welcome all approach.

katenka surely the family can't be forced to take anyone if they don't want to?

YY Hermione Sounds like bullying to me.

Anthony The truth us they are almost never remived from this country. Not one of the 1200 or so people (mainly immigrants who now have passports or who are second/3rd generation British) who have gone to fight with ISIS have been prevented from returning.We just take them back. We appear prepared to accept anything and anyone. I just don't understand it at all.

I imagine there will be posters here who think I am BNP or something. I am, and have been all my adult life, a Labour voter. I agree with Jeremy Corbyn on many things but not this. For the first time, I will not vote Labour unless they restrict immigration significantly and tighten up on what immgrants are allowed to do- ie extremists should be thrown out, hate preachers should be thrown out.

Exactly Lulu , I sometimes wonder what is the point of our immigration laws if we don't even bother to deport those who are here illegally or who fail in asylum applications. As for letting people who've run off to join Islamic state and then changed their minds back in to the country - complete madness.

IIRC: the threads on MN when May implemented the removal of British citizenship (from dual nationals, no-one to be left stateless, and only in a terrorist context) were wholly condemnatory. As were threads about Britain not taking arrivals in Europe, indeed not taking enough full stop.

But it seems those more cautious voices about arrivals, and more robust voices about removing citizenship have more support now (or at least can post them without flaming).

Indeed, even though Cameron still got it in the neck for his terminology this week, there is a creeping realisation that not everyone claiming to be a refugee is actually who they say they are. Which is quite a turnaround from the dominantly-expressed viewpoint of only a short while ago.

katenka surely the family can't be forced to take anyone if they don't want to?

no they can't and they won't. But there has been several requests and attempts at getting them onside to take someone else. This is very rare apparently so they wouldn't be unlucky enough for this to happen to them again, there is pressure. But they can't force them.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/hundreds-of-masked-men-beat-refugee-children-in-stockholm-a6843451.html

This is just terrifying.

veritat I agree it's scary and appalling behaviour.

But it's part of the same behaviour that allowed UKIP to get so many votes in the last election - if you can't have a rational and balanced discussion about the pros and cons and implications of immigration without being called racist, then people will lean to nationalist parties who seem to be listening.

all of you who are scared of the far right, do remember stalin etc.

Its been found that Far let groups have been stirring up and using for their own political agenda, the migrants rioting in Calais. They call themselves No borders. They give the migrants, chain saws and walkie talkies and come into teh camp posing as volunteers.

Corybn winced and mumbled in this morning in his barely audible voice,
" they turned back a lorry with blanket and bananas" at the time I thought awful, then I heard about the far left who happened to be there when he was there, unite labour union flags were carried during the migrants riot onto the ferry last week...

Then we have john McDonnell's thoughts above on borders....

There doesn't have to be a consipacry as such but you can see certainly why some politicians are not worried about the grass roots issues, we face.

Ie. women in germany shit scared to go out in public place and celebrate again after new years eve.

I imagine corbyns lot think its bad but in their grand schemes, just not that bad, because one day - there will be no borders...

these are small things to work out, just like the leader of the EU feel too, at any cost, we must all blend together and form this one world thing....

I think - after these latest revlations corbyn is beyond horrific.

Hermione I agree completely. It us impossible to have an open and balanced discussion about our fears about mgration. I am scared to say what mine are in RL because of those people who shout racist. And I am not racist.

I don't dislike or want anyone to suffer discrimination because of their race.

But here, in my own country, I want to live as I have lived all my life, in relative safety, with relative equality as a woman, celebrating our customas and beliefs and having our way of life recognised and not threatened.

I don't want hundreds of thousands of migrants (and that is my fear about what will happen if we open our borders, that they will flood here in their hundreds of thousands) bringing their cultures and ways of life and taking over areas of our cities and towns and imposing their culture and ways of living on us, not if they threaten ours. I don't want to be in fear of groups of men who treat women like shite. I don't want to walk down streets with women wearing burkhas. I stood in London next to two whose faces were covered apart from their eyes and mouths, who had a metal plate in their mouths so they could not speak. It is disgusting seeing women like that as well as scary. I want a government that stops our national city being owned mainly by foreigners in many areas.

I am truly not racist but I want to feel in the majority in my country. When we stay with my cousin in London, I am often the only white woman I see where he lives. When he bought the house it was a traditional English family street. Now the whole area is muslim. The adverts are in foreign languages. The shops are wholly owned by foreigners- whatever kind of shop they are. I never hear English spoken in the shops apart from by me. The signs on the food are foreign in the fruit shop and the bakers. I am the foreigner yet I am in England. They treat me like crap, ignore me, make no effort to speak to me in English. The tube station is scarey - I am usually the only white woman with muslim men who make no secret if they disapprove of something. When I was pregnant and in a sleeveless summer dress three were vile to me. I was scared.

I am worried about the economcs of it- how much more strain can our housing, benefits, education and health systems stand. It will cost billions - we will have to pay for it. I see so many poor people here now, struggling.

I await a flaming because that is always what happens when anyone expresses their fears about migration on mnet.

I agree Lulu and am very worried about the situation in Europe and whether the same will come to the UK.

Hear hear Lulu.

Metal plate in their mouths????? OMG surely not.

batullah/batoulah/ is a type of face cover in some parts of ME. Painted to look like metal and goes over the mouth not in it.

I may seem off topic but you have to think back to how things got this way and how these refugees ended up where they are and why?

I'm not interested in politics but I caught some of a series on Al Jazeera News. I think anyone who is in a reflective mood could try and find on youtube or an iplayer the Secret of the Seven Sisters. As a nation(s) we are reaping as we've sown. It makes uncomfortable watching and I realise now that we as 'normal everyday folk' know nothing about the actions of our governments or large businesses. We are however seeing where those actions will lead,
All very sad, the genie is out of the bottle.

Hermione and Lulu I completely agree with you both.

To misquote someone or other, I am getting very angry at illiberal liberals insisting I tolerate the intolerant.

www.google.co.jp/search?q=batula+veil&client=safari&rls=en&biw=1240&bih=621&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7nOOCj9jKAhXExqYKHURyDDsQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=vg5G9gsNIEfSsM%3A

This shows some images of the batula. Apparently it may have developed as a means of keeping sand out of your nose. Who'd've thunk it.

All I can see there is a red scarf .

It was more like this except it was not gold and it was definitely metal and covered their nose and mouth across their faces. It was awful. It looked quite barbaric although I am sure we'll have people on shouting it is cultural and a choice. Men don't wear them. It is women whose voices are not allowed to be heard and whose faces are not to be seen.