Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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widow Errrm maybe her total lack of ability to talk about the possible reasons behind the cologne attacks, and calling everybody racist, and not giving one inch on the possible notion of maybe looking at that they are not the genuine refugees who are getting the majority of the benefit of open borders, and maybe just maybe we could talk about\look at better solutions to support the actual refugees whilst not creating a mass of disalutioned youth then taking it out on the locals or children and women in there camps

This utter denial of anything at all amiss with the migration of millions, the constant "it wasn't them" "it happened before" blah blah blah crap sort of speaks for its self.

Nope, Emily.

I compared economic migrants to the barbarian hordes who overwhelmed Rome. What were the "barbarian hordes" but economic migrants wanting to come to Rome to improve their standard of living?

I compared refugees to the European Jews during WWII.

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Seethere, I talked about the reasons a lot, but many people weren't interested in discussing any reasons beyond 'being a Muslim' or misogyny allegedly relating to Islam. I don't thinkyou can boil down a worldwide religion practised in so many different ways to one thing. Tis makes me a minimiser to many but I think it is minimising more to just say it is the culture of Muslims males to do this as it misses other factors and also, what is 'Muslim culture'?

I did mention early on in the Cologne threads that there was no evidence a Syrian refugee was involved but was shouted down by people saying he ripped hispassport up etc, later this story was proved unsubstantiated.

Thanks for clarifying 2016. What do you think of the assertion that you can be a refugee and an economic migrant? That the two can overlap?

It seems odd to compare an economic migrant who just wants a better life to someone forcefully battling their way into a country.

Lumela, a lot of yous seem perturbed the possibility of homophobic migrants bit seem to support a homophobic mp. Bit weird innit?

'Emily - your migrants also oppose gay marriage'.

'Now, do you support gay marriage or migrants? Pick one'.

I pick common sense thanks. I am sure 'my migrants', the thousands entering Europe, are not all homopobic.

'Waiting in the wings'? I just read the thread and post, as others do. You make me sound like a Bond villain. Or a character in a gothic novel. Bt melodramatic.

Actually a poll was issued recently asking Muslims a range of questions and when it came to homosexuality it didn't bode well. Zero tolerance if I remember rightly.

I'm behind with the thread but Question Time Extra on Radio 5 Live from 22.00 has been discussing the EU and related issues.

www.bbc.co.uk/5live/programmes/schedules

emilybohemia

'Thanks for clarifying 2016. What do you think of the assertion that you can be a refugee and an economic migrant? That the two can overlap?'

I would think it was a moronic notion based on a lack of critical thinking.

It is out of print

www.amazon.co.uk/Barbarian-Invasions-Roman-Empire-Volumes/dp/B000QUFNGA/ref=sr_1_3?

www.economist.com/news/leaders/21690028-european-problem-demands-common-coherent-eu-policy-let-refugees-regulate/comments?page=3#sort-comments

The Economist is getting spanked in the comments section.

"I pick common sense thanks. I am sure 'my migrants', the thousands entering Europe, are not all homopobic."

I don't even know what to say to this kind of comment. What on earth does "homophobic" or "not homophobic" even mean, for goodness' sake? The world is not neatly divided into gay rights' activists vs ISIL.

You have people who support total and equal gay rights including gay marriage. You have people who believe that gay men should be thrown off the roofs of buildings. And then you have everything in between.

The majority of people entering Europe right now are probably against actually murdering gay men, but I doubt they hold politically correct values of the sort that gladden Emilybohemia's heart when it comes to gay rights.

If the person we are talking to is opposed to gay marriage, then I disagree with him very strongly on that point and wonder what on earth his problem with gay marriage is.

On the other hand, I have folding money that says that his views on gay people's rights to live without harassment are still quite a bit more liberal than that of the average migrant from the ME.

www.spiegel.de/international/europe/interview-with-german-interior-minister-on-refugee-crisis-a-1074630.html

www.dw.com/en/germany-pledges-23-billion-euros-in-syria-aid-through-2018/a-19026224

www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/world/middleeast/europe-migrant-crisis-reverse-migration.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

emily, I think calling David Davies 'homophobic' is a touch hysterical. There is link somewhere upthread where he talks about Cologne and related issues and says he's absolutely in favour of gay men having the right to a quiet pint without being beaten up for it.

I get the feeling that you see the world in a Manichean split of right and wrong. Anybody fleeing unpleasant circumstances is obviously a saint, anyone complaining that some cultures currently tend towards certain unpleasant practices is obviously bigoted and racist. The world isn't like that. I'm sure you'll tell me you know that but really, I've not seen much evidence that you do.

"Anybody fleeing unpleasant circumstances is obviously a saint, anyone complaining that some cultures currently tend towards certain unpleasant practices is obviously bigoted and racist."

Bertrand Russell nailed this in his essay "The Superior Virtue of the Oppressed."

If you think about it, there's no particular reason why a group which is having a really hard time should necessarily be any nicer than any other group. But it does seem like some people are unable to stop at "Oppressing people is wrong"--they cannot resist the temptation to go on stage further and start ascribing all sorts of virtues to the group in question, using them as a sort of projection for all the values that they themselves hold dear.

readingrussell.blogspot.jp/2007/11/unpopular-essays-chapter-5.html

That was good reading, New. I might go and find the actual essay! Thanks.

Lumela this is interesting too: from this article which dissects the phenomena of Social Justice Warriors and particularly online tactics of emphasising emotion over logic and practicality and the labrynthian top trumps of victimhood.

Working to correct inequities is a noble goal—which explains the appeal of the “social justice” movement to many fair-minded people. But the movement in its current form is not about that. It elevates an extreme and polarizing version of identity politics in which individuals are little more than the sum of their labels. It encourages wallowing in anger and guilt. It promotes intolerance and the politicization of everything. It must be stopped—not only for the sake of freedom, but for the sake of a kinder, fairer society

www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/05/research-finds-200m-victims-female-genital-mutilation-alive-today
This shows the attitudes towards women in many countries

Sky news will be talking to the chair of the mayor of londons violence against women and girls panel Joan smith . I didn't see many of these people wheeled out and spoken to after the attacks in Cologne that we know happened but we're not reported on for sometime because of some or other agenda. yet it's okay to speak about this subject when it is regarding Julian Assange

BrittEkland
It was left-wing people who called me it. I was posting updates as the story came out and they said things like only the bigots/Nazis are still talking about this. What's crazy is I'd feel exactly the same way if they were White/Christian refugees from Ukraine. Where as I'm sure they would be reacting differently, yet they called me a racist.

Btw I'm a man. I wanted to know what women were thinking in regards to Cologne. Through google I found these threads. I've been reading them since. I only meant to lurk, but then I started posting. Sorry if it's not allowed.

My mum's the only other woman I could ask about it. About 12 years ago she rang me crying saying she was being followed by a man. I went to find her and it all worked out okay. I was so worried. Still when my phone rings my first thought is that she's in danger. I worry when she's alone somewhere. I think that's why I'm following this so closely. I've never told her I worry in case it stops her going out. She's not good with computers so she'll never see it here. lol

She thinks this is just a Germany thing and that it won't ever happen in the UK. I don't mind her thinking that but I'm scared for the future.

DeeEm We know taharrush-style attacks can come to UK. Once these migrants have their EU papers they can travel. To me it is unfathomable that the hard Left are so intransigent. On the one hand, they support liberty and fairness for all and are never backward about coming forward when they criticise govts and policies.

But they studiously desist from criticising anti-libertarian behaviour and sex attacks. Either they simply do not believe the scale of the attacks, or they do but believe that it is all part of a new melting pot. In other words, the most important matter for them is to accept everyone who wants to come to Europe. Personal freedom does not get a look in, because giving sanctuary to all kinds if the fair thing to do every time.

I think everything the West has attained in rights are unimportant to the hard Left, even if it means suicide for Europe. The Melting Pot reigns supreme.

NewStatesman thanks for the Bertrand Russell. I've read many of his essays, and not seen that one.

So what if David Davies disagrees with gay marriage. Do some of you only relate to those who tick all your boxes. If so, this is like being and looking for clones. For example, I am a strict vegetarian of several decades, but I don't decline to have friendships with meat eaters.