Sex Attacks in Cologne and other European Cities Part VIII

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Let the debate continue.....

I actually don't mind Soro's Open Borders if, as according to the mission statement, they aim to spread European liberal values elsewhere

Having lived cheek by jowl with EU men for many years I can assure you living next to us did nothing to them but nearly destroyed me. It has changed me actually for the worst. Years and years of battle.

This is the major problem with mass immigration, there is no need to integrate or learn anything from your host country! You are backed up in your own views by all your friends, family or simply people with the same up bringing all round you. You are impervious to your surroundings and why should you care anyway? Your there to live as cheaply as possible, work hard, earn loads of ££ and go home and enjoy a nicer standard of living.
Do I blame them> no!! But I blame our mps and blair for allowing such huge numbers of people to come here in such a short space of time.

I have seen it and lived at the worst end of it. It doesn't work.

AMouse .... Yes, you are right. Unfortunately too many European migrants in too quick a time. Each group has a large support network of, if not family, then acquaintances and every day they all reinforce poor behaviour and attitudes from back home. Don't you feel used and grubby? I do.

AMouse I know. My thinking in that statement was entirely focused on exporting Westernised thinking, beliefs and way of life (the good parts) elsewhere, based on the assumption that the West has been very successful in terms of quality of life for its citizens. This exporting of our way of life obviously can't be done in the way that it's being done at the moment (and I am assuming that Soros' Open Society institute was conceived at a time when the world probably looked a little different. I know that several posters here think otherwise). The relativist, infinitely tolerant ideas won't be able to stand this test, so I'm guessing that we are in for a rough few years. I am a passionate believer in the 'West is good' theory, so would be keen to export these ideals elsewhere, and am very resistant to living according to other (worse) ideas. Infinite tolerance just doesn't work; nor does severe inequality. However, on balance, I think that most people would accept the capitalist, westernised, somewhat unequal way of life rather than the former. We'll see.

fourmummy ..... Did you know that the Russian Prosecutor General’s Office has recognized George Soros’s Open Society Institute and another affiliated organization as undesirable groups, banning Russian citizens and organizations from participation in any of their projects. - Nov 2015

393 now

Britt I didn't, but that doesn't surprise me. It is quite an unsavoury organisation from everything that I've read about it. I generally oscillate between 'this is all planned' and 'this is a cock-up' thinking. My latest attempt to understand this whole thing includes the possibility that the West has accelerated away from everywhere else - and we are now dealing with a huge influx of people who want to live here, but who do not necessarily want this way of life. My big fear is that we will lose our westernised traditions. I'm quite happy for any organisation to export these traditions outward if it means that we get to preserve them here, rather than these being diluted or eradicated altogether when different groups demand unreasonable laws and social mores to be accepted.

Cock up versus conspiracy. Hmm. Like a couple of others on this thread (yes I'm talking about my fellow glimmerer lumie and inkanta ) I too have spent a long time in archives as well as in local and central government. I subscribe to the former, in general.

However. There is something else that is troubling me greatly and has coalesced in my mind through the reading of these threads and in p ms with another poster. I really believe we are now seeing the decline of western civilisation. By which I mean western culture. I have thought this for some time in the arts- simply through observation of the gradual aging of audiences at the things I see up here in Yorkshire. (I accept things may be different in London) We're talking world class outfits here - the Halle orchestra for example. They used to pack venues. Now there are very many empty seats. The causes are multiple - funding being the most obvious, but, but....

This is incoherently put but I feel in my bones I am right.

Add to that the threat we are now facing to our own (hard and recently won in some cases ) values and freedoms as we have seen, the threat to the planet from climate change, and unrestricted economic growth, and it is indeed a grim outlook.

Culture always changes. We are a pretty classical music family but for me it's more comfortable to listen on youtube than so somewhere and I prefer to perform not listen. So there may well still be culture out there but not necessarily consisting of people going to sit in concerts.

I see Western civilisation as going from strength to strenght which is why backwards movements like Islam are getting so cross about it all and they shake and rattle like a snake in its death throes because they know that their cause of inequality and homophobia and patriarchy is on its last legs and inevitably shall die.

Cheer up, Words. I went to a classical concert at the weekend, amateur choir, professional soloists and orchestra. It was at a university, both the choir and the orchestra had a huge mix of ages (17-75) and the audience likewise - and the hall, which seats about 900, was almost full. It's not all doom and gloom.

I do wonder sometimes if western civilisation is declining (Sleb culture, so help us all) and then I'll go to a production of Shakespeare which is packed, despite being held outside in the English 'summer'.

Why only 393 signatures so far??

Shall I plaster it onto my FB page

Yes!

My laptop is off being repaired. I can't email the contact list out. But please tweet it to anyone you can think of. Get it on Facebook. Email it out.

I need to nag running group again.

I'd welcome the live chat with David Davies on MN. Very impressed by his speech in the EU parliament at the link on p. 12 of this thread, though it's depressing to see how few people were present and how unmoved they appeared to be by what he was saying.

He has a history of suggesting that cultural values play into misogynist crimes, and of being chastised by his Party for daring to raise the issue: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/8485113.stm

On another note, none of my friends wants to sign the petition. The 'xenophobia' word has been used against me.

Why I guess apart from the words Xenophobia and racism the PC liberals are lost for the words, language and intellect to have any sensible discussions around this.

Well. I've posted it on FB and Twitter.

Let the flaming begin...can people still accuse me of being Xenophobic and racist given that I'm an ethnic chinese immigrant...

well not why

Xenophobe and racist are so 2015.

David D web chat will be fascinating and wonderful for this petition.

And the NTL live theatre streaming is culture straight to the sticks for those outside London.

Very much enjoying this debate.

David D web chat looks like being Monday 8th from 1pm to 2pm. I hope that suits people.

fourmummy and claig
In Britain, who is HMRC hitting the hardest? I would say the middle class. This resonates for me because under a One World Government there will be no middle class.

The middle class is targeted for elimination, because most of the world has no middle class. The goal is to extinguish the notion of a middle class and transnationalise a lower, uneducated, labour orientated class.

How does one make the nations of the world more nearly equal? Not by bringing the standard of living in less developed countries up to our level, but to bring ours down to meet theirs coming up.

I’ve felt something afoot for a long time now. It’s reassuring to cleave to the notion that something is a cockup, an honest mistake or lack of money; we are in a long range plan, no longer a conspiracy, because too many people know of the motivations and what the endgame is.

Straight to the sticks, January?

I hugely hugely resent that.

As you were.

because most of the world has no middle class.

I agree that some middle class jobs seem to be being offshored or automated, but there are middle classes all over the place. Look at the change in, say, Malaysia in the last 40 years. The hordes of people shopping in the malls in Kuala Lumpur and jamming the roads solid with their cars aren't all 'elite'. They're journalists and teachers and business people, and their parents or grandparents were clerks or labourers.

Look at Africa: with more education, more medical care, more radios and newspapers, more factories, there are more teachers and medics and engineers. I know a bloke who grew up in essentially a peasant village, working the land. He was bright and he got himself an education and he's now a bigwig civil servant. He's very middle class.

People, we are totally off-topic.

397 now

Words I am the absolute ultimate stick-dweller! I live in abject gratitude that I can watch current plays without going to London.

I hope that's what you meant, I meant no offence meant whatsoever!

Just glee that I can watch theatre and the drive home along muddy tracks.

As you were too

www.reuters.com/article/us-nobel-peace-greece-idUSKCN0VA2V5?mod=related&channelName=worldNews

Ok January

Britt I'm half-way through this article:

www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/22447-soros-and-cfr-exploit-refugee-crisis-for-new-world-order

It's interesting, if nothing very original, at least on these threads but one thing that it does say is that part of the game-plan is to make everyone think that it's all a monumental cock-up so that we are more accepting of the in-coming solutions. I just don't know. It could all be just part of a 'natural' cycle that (Western) societies are destined to go through: super- Liberalism, PCness and ultra-equality/tolerance eventually burn themselves out because they are unsustainable in providing a decent quality of life, which ushers in a more nationalistic, anti-PC, our way is the right way-type of rhetoric.